E.136 | SxS | Dr. Elliot Justin | FINAL
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Leah: Hey there. Welcome to the Sex Reimagined podcast. I'm Leah Piper. I'm with Dr. Willow Brown. We are your Tantra and your Taoist co-hosts.
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Meet Dr. Elliot Justin and Firm Tech
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Willow: Today we have Dr. Elliot Justin, who is the CEO and founder of Firm Tech, the first sex tech company dedicated to improving men's er3ctile fitness. He's got a background in emergency med medicine and healthcare technology, and he has created one of the world's coolest c0ck rings that you have ever seen.
Willow: So you are gonna wanna watch this video on YouTube if you can. Um, if you don't have a chance to watch it maybe you're driving or walking while listening. At some point maybe go over to YouTube and check out [00:01:00] how he puts this cock ring on, because you kind of have to see it to get it. And it's um, it's, it's a really cool, it's a game changer.
Willow: Yeah. It really is.
Leah: Yeah. So if you care about erectile health and wellbeing, please tune in, turn on, and fall in love with Dr. Elliott.
Announcer: Welcome to the Sex Reimagined Podcast, where sex is shame-free and pleasure forward. Let's get into the show.
Leah: Welcome to the show. We're so glad to have you.
Willow: Yeah, so excited to drop in with you today, Dr. Elliot Justin about all kinds of sex tech. You've been, you've been a doctor, a medical doctor for a long time, I imagine, and have been through many different iterations of what it means to be a medical doctor. I'm just curious how you landed here in this sex tech industry.
Elliot: Well, I, I asked myself that question every couple of days, [00:02:00] because I, this, what we're doing should have been done a long time ago. Uh, and, and my wife, uh, he just met a moment ago would say that, well, it needed a, a, both a sex obsessed doctor, someone that knew about sensors and medical technology, uh, in order to, to pull us together.
The Importance of Nocturnal Erections
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Elliot: So, three years ago, a professor of urology at the university of Utah, Dr. James O'Tally challenged me with coming up with a way of counting the number of nocturnal er3ctions that men have. And I said, uh, what the fuck for? Why do we care? We all know about mourning wood, but we laugh about it. But why do we care about nocturnal er3ctions He said, well, they're a leading indicator of a man's cardiovascular health. And that kind of took me aback because leading indicator in medicine is powerful. In medicine, we treat associations. High blood pressure is associated with heart attack and stroke. Elevated lip proteins associated with cardiovascular disease.
Elliot: But they're not predictive. And if you're, if your blood pressure goes from one 30 to one 50, it's an association, similarly the same thing if your lip proteins go up, but if a man's, a man's cardiac number, number nocturnal erections goes down significantly, that man [00:03:00] has a 50 percent chance of having a heart attack in the next two years.
Elliot: So when he told me that and showed me some of the data for that, I was taken back because this would be like a sixth vital sign. Uh, it would be a vital sign for every guy's most vital organ, uh, and it'd be a lot more motivating for men's. to know about the nocturnals in terms of improving their health, their lifestyle, you know, et cetera, to have that data.
Challenges with Traditional Cock Rings
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Elliot: But this doctor, like most straight doctors, is what I call a cock ring virgin.
Leah: Oh, why?
Elliot: So I'm not a cock ring virgin. I'm unfortunately married to someone who's into sex toys. And by the way, if anyone's considering getting married, I think that should be your criteria, male or female, if you're gonna marry someone.
Elliot: I mean, don't marry someone who's not into s*x toys. Uh,
Willow: tip. Good tip, everyone.
Elliot: the doctor says, the problem with cock rings is these hard silicone, you know, O rings, you know, These kind of things. Uh, and they pinch. They're uncomfortable. And men who have compromised circulation from [00:04:00] diabetes or hypertension, unfortunately, too many people do today. Or men who are obese. I mean, I can look down, I can see my penis.
Elliot: I'm not going to stand up right now. I'm wearing pants. But if most men my age, I'm 70. One, they look down, you know, younger men, they look down and they see belly. So you just putting these rings on can be, can be, can be
Willow: Hard to even get to it. Yeah.
Elliot: So
Leah: can I make a guess about how many nocturnal erections the average healthy man has?
Willow: That's a great.
Leah: gonna guess 10 or 11.
Elliot: Well, you're way off by the way. How
Willow: five or six.
Elliot: you're a little bit off by the way. How many nocturnal erections did you guys have last night? Leah, how many have last night?
Leah: God, I hope I had 25.
Willow: I have at least 40. Now we're in a pissing contest, Leah.
Innovations in Sex Tech
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Elliot: Well, you're, you're soon going to know because we are coming out with the first monitor of clitoral health Q4 this year.
Willow: Oh, wow. So you wear that all night?
Elliot: You, you, [00:05:00] yes, of course. How much are you going to tell?
Leah: else are you gonna count?
Willow: doesn't look comfortable to wear all
Elliot: Oh, well, it's been worn overnight by 12 women. Not this particular one. Very model. By 12, and, and without, without any discomfort.
Elliot: It's also used, used by paper, presented paper at the International Society for Sexual Medicine. There were 20 plus women that paper used it while, while masturbating. And also, yeah,
Leah: I'll, I'll volunteer.
Elliot: I'll keep you in mind. Can we come out with the advanced prototype? But anyway, getting back to men, um, well, previously the data came from a device called the RIDGE Scan.
Elliot: Uh, and this, which has fallen out of favor because it looks like something Dr. Frankenstein would put on your dick. It has kind of these electrodes that go to a box, and you have to go to a sleep lab in order to wear it. You've got to kind of lie there like this, and you can't roll over. Uh, and, and they were
Willow: probably not going to have good sleep or good nocturnal wood anyway.
Elliot: So there, and there was total data, I believe, was about 350 men. Well, we've now documented with our device, 56, 000, [00:06:00] 56, 000 erections. We have the largest database database in the world. And there's so much to learn from mining that data. And we've already learned several things.
Understanding Erectile Health
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Leah: But wait, how, what is, what is the answer? What's the average healthy
Elliot: Oh, sorry. It's, it's three plus
Willow: Three.
Leah: plus. That's it.
Elliot: So young, young men, like a 20 year old, they might have four plus or five and, but it, but here's, here's what guys don't understand. And there's a big biohacker named Brian Johnson, who just doesn't get it. Um, and he talks about it cause, cause he has, he has, he's thinking about this older data.
Elliot: So it's rigid scan data basically suggested, much more smaller number of men, but as men get older, the number of nocturnal erections goes down. So therefore he claims, and some other men, biohackers clinic, the same claim to that, Hey, if I got four or five nocturnal erections, I got the same penis as a 25 year old.
Elliot: Well, that's not true because the, um, one, what defines an aging penis is actually the change in the refractory period, the time between, [00:07:00] between climaxes two, our data, this large, enormous data set shows that the Uh, say around 30 has about has four, but it goes down really slightly. So the, even the average, my age, seventy year, old who's, who's in good health has three plus.
Elliot: So this is really interesting. So, uh, and I'm really kind of chuffed about it because it's, it's, it's a discovery. So as the thought was, the incidence of E.D goes up in men 10 percent per decade after age 40. So the thought was that as men also age, and the incidence of hypertension, atherosclerosis, diabetes, obesity, they get worse, that the number of nocturnal erections would go down. It was also thought that the hardness of erections as men got older would go down.
Leah: Right.
Elliot: We're not seeing that. We're seeing that the rate of nocturnal erections stays pretty much like this.
Elliot: Three plus,
Leah: Okay.
Elliot: cat, until some other event, some bad event occurs. A man [00:08:00] is on the verge of having a heart attack, his hypertension is out of control, his diabetes has deteriorated. Something, uh, or, or worse, because we doctors fuck up men and women with these things. We prescribe cock and clit killing medications, antihypertensives, SRA and depressants.
Elliot: Without thinking about the sexual impact. So until what some of those things occur, this stays relatively constant. And now we know that also the hardness goes, goes pretty constant to the sixties and then starts to deteriorate slightly, just slightly. so if you're going to claim that because
Elliot: I'm 71 years old, I have four nocturnal erections, and my erections are rock hard, that I, I don't have an aging penis. Well, that's wrong. Every man has an aging penis. Every man suffers from fading erections.
Elliot: So, here's that delta. In medicine, we talk about, you know, the difference between two lines. Erectile dysfunction, and I'd rather call it erectile disappointments. Because there's, because there are two types of erectile dysfunctions, if you will, I'll get to that in a second, but as that number goes up and men stay just as hard, what's, what's going on?[00:09:00]
The Role of Confidence in Sexual Performance
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Elliot: Why are men losing their confidence? So that's, I believe the issue is loss of confidence playing along with venous leak. So we doctors, we go where the farmer leads us. so much in the body is actually simple when you think about it. We got a pump, the heart, we got arteries come out of the heart, in this case, go to the penis, and then we have blood that returns to the heart through the, through the venous system.
Elliot: The focus has been, is the heart pumping enough blood? Does a man have ED because of cardiovascular disease? We can treat that. And then there are the pipes, um, is enough blood coming through the pipes? So the PD 5 medications, Viagra, Cialis, they dilate the artery is going to the penis, so more blood goes into the penis,
Willow: But what if the pump isn't working?
Elliot: but what if there's a leak on the venous side? So every, every erection, clitoral, penile, every erection ends in blood leaving the penis or the clitoris. Women have [00:10:00] an event, women have,
Willow: the heart
Elliot: we're always, we look at the vascular system. So, and, and, and the two, so, this guy might, the man might be losing his erection because He's pissed off at his partner, or he's drunk, or he's, uh, or he's taking medications that are a problem, or one of the kids wake up, or, um, whatever.
Elliot: There's, you know, there's so many factors, but there's a, there's one end point, which is blood leaves a penis, and in effect, a good cock ring keeps the blood there. So, erectile dysfunction, a guy has ED. Is it a really dysfunction, which I think is more medical in cause, or is it disappointment, which has has a confidence issue involved?
Elliot: So
Leah: Yeah. I like that because it's acknowledging that there's an emotional piece to this equation, um, that I think for a lot of men, um, they think the quick fix might be medication, but medication may not always work when it's an emotional disruption.
Elliot: well, let's talk about the [00:11:00] meds for a moment,
Willow: a vein, venous leak. Not veinous, venous. Mm
Elliot: Or fading erection. So a man who can't attain erection, those guys are, those guys are in trouble. If a man can't attain erection, he likely has a significant cardiovascular. Or medical issue that man needs to see an urologist and cardiologist get a workup. But that's not the majority of men who have ed, majority of men have ed get an erection and they lose it.
Elliot: So how do we help those men? We put a ring on it and it's gotta be a comfortable ring. 'cause these, these rings suck. They, they, they block off the arterial flow into the penis. You have to have a full erection in order for it to, to work well. So, and our rings don't, they were just designed to, you know, for, for different purpose.
Willow: Now will the ring work if there's a venous leak?
Elliot: Yeah. Because they, they keep it there. Right. So, in order to come up with, this Dr.  O'Tally said, Hey, do you want to count the number of nocturnal erections? My focus was on, okay, well, let's, let's count nocturnals. How long they last, how hard they are, because they're an indicator of cardiovascular health and medication side effects.
Elliot: But in order to [00:12:00] do that, we have to solve the cock ring problem.
Leah: Okay. Lay it on us. How do we solve the
Willow: There's so many cock rings on the market these
Elliot: not, there are a lot of
Willow: you guys stepped in and started doing this, was there already? I mean, when did you start this? What was going
Elliot: started, I started, uh, we hard launched, so to speak, two years ago at the consumer electronics show. And there's nothing like our product yet, but there'll be, there'll be competitors. Women have vibrators, and they've, they've revolutionized sexual health for women. Why, why don't women get venous
Leah: All the vibrators?
Elliot: Because the vibrators, in addition to producing pleasure, the stimulation of the vibrators sustains blood flow. The arteries stay open, so blood keeps on going, to the clit*ris Uh, and that's obviously a profound benefit.
Leah: Is that why we're seeing so many of these new cock rings that are designed to bring pleasure to the vulva? Because they're, they're wider now, so they're fitting against the vulva, including with the penis, and then it's got vibration through it.
Elliot: Well, that's because [00:13:00] couples are struggling, struggling with penetrative sex. And, uh, the, um, and we have one called, we call, here's ours. We, we'll launch it this month. We call it the Ring Mate. Uh, and this slides and all on and off all of our cock rings. It kind of sits there. And the vibra, the vibration is actually where the clitoris is, which is 3.5 centimeters away, and it's covered with a soft elastomer, so it's not co covered with, with, with, with hard silicone.
Elliot: So it's more, more comfortable. Uh. And actually, the first time I used it, my wife, her complaint was, I came too quickly, but let's do it again. Well, that's a good complaint to have.
Leah: Now, I was taking a look at your website, and I was noticing the design, and it looks like what's unique about your design, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that it clips on. Instead of having to struggle putting this circle on, this rubber band on, basically, yours clips in, correct?
Elliot: yeah, it was, it's an interesting
Willow: I want, can you, I want to see the cock ring. Can you show us that and
Elliot: here's the cock ring and we make it in [00:14:00] with tech and non tech. The non tech was specifically designed to enhance a man's pleasure and this is validated by research. The non tech ring, actually all the rings, both these rings are, it's an independent study project coming out in A few months by a doctor in Amy Perlman in Miami shows our ring is equivalent to 10 milligrams.
Elliot: So Alice, the most commonly prescribed reptile.
Willow: Wow. That's amazing.
Leah: you show how it
Willow: Yeah. I know you have a dildo there. Let's
Elliot: I do have a dildo.
Willow: Let's let's
Elliot: this is me.
Willow: That was you last night four and a half times
Elliot: so, uh, you know, I, I have some overweight friends here in Montana, uh, who are wealthy and date women who are much younger than them. And therefore they have, they have their tense about their performance and they, they're complaining about it. These kind of rings is that if they've had two shots of bourbon, a couple puffs of pot, uh, and they're also diabetic, [00:15:00] uh, and they're worried about losing their erection because with these rings, they have to have an erection because it's going to cut off
Willow: get it on.
Elliot: By the time they get over their belly and put the thing on. Anyway, so our rings go on differently. A man drops his balls in
Leah: Okay. So for the audience who might be listening instead of watching, um, he is just put a loop around the testicles and then clips it in above the shaft. You guys got to see this on YouTube. It's brilliant.
Willow: of
Elliot: there, there, there it is in the slide.
The Origin of the Clip-On Cock Ring
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Elliot: So what do you think the origin story might be, ladies, uh, for the clip?
Leah: Oh, what's the origin story? What's the origin story of the, of the
Elliot: why do we, why do we do this
Willow: Oh, why do you make it that way?
Elliot: what, what inspired that?
Willow: probably because
Leah: of like a hair clip.
Willow: get
Elliot: you're, you're, you're both wearing a garment right now
Willow: earrings.
Elliot: closes with a
Leah: Bra.
Elliot: The bra, the bra. So I, [00:16:00] I was, you know, I would say probably half, maybe more of the heterosexual sex in a committed relationship occurs when a guy is scratching his wife's back when she takes her bra off at night, especially during the summer, because the back panel of the bra is made out of silicone, and silicone is an irritating material.
Elliot: It's one of the reasons why we make arts out of elastomer, because silicone adapts, makes you adapt to it. Elastomers are softer, they make, they adapt to you more, more commonly. So I was scratching my wife's back. If this doctor would challenge me to come up with a way of, you know, counting nocturnal erections.
Elliot: And I was scratching my wife's back, and I saw two things. One on her desk was a stress ball. I said, oh fuck, why don't we make cock rings out of elastomer? Out of something softer so it's more comfortable. And then I looked on the floor and I saw her bra. I said, duh, a bra is a ring that opens and closes with a hook.
Elliot: Women don't put on bras over their head. Why don't we make a cock ring that opens and closes with a hook?
Leah: I love
Willow: much easier to put on. Now how does the attachment [00:17:00] attach?
Elliot: But the other reason for this, I'm sorry, the attachment, you mean the data?
Willow: The attachment part that, that vibrated
Elliot: Oh, uh, that, that, yeah, that, that sits here.
Leah: the Volvo, uh,
Willow: clips, it just adjusts right on, oh, I see you put it through the
Elliot: the loops go through, right, you got it, yeah. But, let me just digress for a second. people who are, the testers who use this device ended up using it this way because I also want to address the wrist fatigue problem.
Elliot: You ladies are young, but older women complain that with a larger vibrating dildo or a wand that they get wrist fatigue because holding it, especially if they want to come more than once, holding it in this position produces risk fatigue.
Leah: Yeah, those, those can be heavy. You're right,
Elliot: Yeah, and my wife kind of had, yeah, my wife had me demonstrate that hard because she had Pelican masturbate me with a wand like, oh, my God, I'm 70 years old.
Elliot: I'm like, this is annoying, you know. So I wanted something that could there [00:18:00] are remote control vibrators out there, but I want something that was that could be controlled with, with, with the fingers. So this is actually, um,
Leah: So it's designed in two ways. One is to fit on the cock ring or the fingers.
Elliot: Correct. So it's if you use the penetrative sex, but in our test group, uh, couple, these are heterosexual couples, in our test group, um, about half the time it was being taken off and used either, being either used by the man if he's having, if you're having sex from behind to reach around, because again, as, as a man, manipulating clitoris from behind is It's fatiguing.
Elliot: I mean, you know, in the movies or in porn, people come right away, but that's not the way it is in reality. And this
Leah: the way it is in reality.
Elliot: So this, so, so this makes, as Anne says, my wife does, it makes you into a Superman because, or this can be, oh,
Willow: looks really comfortable.
Elliot: Oh, it's really,
Willow: like, super soft. I mean, [00:19:00] compared to a lot of the toys that we get
Elliot: handed off.
Elliot: It's like, it's like a, it's like a tongue.
Elliot: My wife designed it. She's, she's
Willow: Oh,
Elliot: And I'm proud of it for doing it too. Yeah.
Willow: Bravo,
Leah: have like a tongue like inspiration to it. Very
Willow: Yeah.
Elliot: And then also, of course, if she's on top and doesn't want to have it on the ring, she can then take it off and can, you know, use this, or I can't, or she's on, I can, you know, use with a finger. So, uh, you know, I got into this for the data.
The Benefits of the New Cock Ring Design
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Elliot: And to help give men data about their sexual health.
Willow: I'm sure that's the only reason you got into it. All that data.
Elliot: I
Willow: All those graphs, all those cardiovascular cases out there.
Leah: Okay, so I'm still not sure that I understand the, am I saying it wrong, the venous syndrome?
Willow: Venus leak. I was saying it wrong.
Elliot: so
Leah: okay, so, okay, so let me just, let me just, Do a recap.
Elliot: yes.
Leah: All right, we have part of erectile dysfunction or [00:20:00] erectile disappointment has to do with cardiovascular health. Part of it has to do with like confidence and cortisol levels being high and stress and disruptions and bad sleep and like lifestyle issues.
Elliot: Mm-hmm
Leah: Um, and then the other part has to do with this venous syndrome.
Elliot: And the venous syndrome, which I'll explain that in. I'm gonna illustrate you for just one second. It plays onto the confidence issue. My wife and I have sex, or I all have sex alone, or we have sex together pretty much every day. Uh, and, and I certainly believe that an orgasm a day keeps the doctor away.
Elliot: The, uh, but I,
Willow: We believe that too.
Elliot: I'll illustrate this for you. Look, both of you are attractive ladies. Uh, and if I were, if you guys were 14 years old and I was 14 years old and I held her hand, I would have probably have an erection for about an hour. And then I get blue balls afterwards. That doesn't happen at my age. And I desire my wife and frankly, all the women as well, too.
Elliot: I don't get, I don't get spontaneous erections anymore. Why is [00:21:00] that?
Leah: Right.
Elliot: Well, it's multifactorial. Part of it, obviously, is getting the freshness. Things are no longer fresh. But frankly, all men report this. By the early 20s, it just starts to fade away. And men's, so why is that? Well, blood is leaving the penis.
Elliot: Why is blood leaving the penis? Well, something's going on. I'll illustrate it this way. If I sat in a plane, or even you ladies sat in a plane, for several hours, your socks might get a little bit tight and your rings might get a little bit tight. Why? Because it doesn't happen when you're 15 or 25 years old.
Elliot: Why is that? Because as we get older, men and women, and women are actually more susceptible to this because their veins are a little bit more fragile than men, uh, the smooth muscle around our small veins that are called our venules, those smooth muscles get weaker with age. And the little veins as well, these venules, get stiffer, uh, with age as well too. And that means, in your ankles, or your fingers, that means that a little bit of blood, fluid, [00:22:00] serum, leaks out from your blood vessels into the tissue around them, because it's not being pumped back to the heart the way it is when these muscles are strong. And the penis, this means the blood gets to the penis faster.
Elliot: So, any man, any man, or woman who wants to test on a man, can assess it this way and prove it right away. Get a guy, rock hard. And then, no stimulation, see how long it takes for your erection to go down. It's probably going to be about 25 / 35 seconds, depending upon your health or how turned on you are.
Elliot: Now, get rock hard and put a ring on it. Our ring, of course, is the best one because ours is comfortable. But anybody can get any cock ring, even these cheap things we'll demonstrate. Get a hard on, put a ring on it, and let's see how long it takes your erection to
Leah: come down.
Leah: Okay. We have some lab work to do. I'm excited. I love lab work.
Elliot: And it should be, two plus minutes.
Elliot: with our ring, um, the average man's with a ring on, after climax stays hard for almost four minutes. It could easily be over five minutes. In the young guys it could be seven or eight minutes. this is a simple solution for most men's [00:23:00] erectile dysfunction.
Elliot: Now, why do my wife and I like the ring so much? Hey, technically I don't have ED. I have sex, I have sex almost every day. I'm fortunate. I have fading erections. So, so the, the cock ring makes me more confident and it also helps. And I hear about this from some of our customers and some of my patients. They tried everything. Red light therapy, shockwave therapy, you know, guys will do anything to make their dick harder. Testosterone therapy. Uh, and nothing works. Then you ask them, say like a 55, 56 year old man. When do you, when you're young guys, when do you, when do you lose your erection? I lose it during penetrative sex. Oh, that's interesting. So why do you think you're losing it? Well, I'm not getting enough friction. Yeah, well, let's see, your wife has had five children. My wife here, she doesn't want to talk about this. She's had three kids. She's 70 years old. I don't get it.
Elliot: There are certain sex positions that she likes. One, I don't get friction, and two, they bore me because we've done them a thousand times. But the cockering on totally changed it. With the cockering on, I'm not going to lose my erection. She knows I'm not going to lose my erection. And you, you know if you've slept [00:24:00] with men.
Elliot: A guy who's confident about his dick is in a very different mindset. That guy was worried about losing his erection. Because a guy who's worried about losing his erection, is probably going to lose his erection. Uh, and, and then, and then you have to deal with all the mood changes and irritability that goes along with a guy losing his erection.
Elliot: God, you wouldn't put up with a lot from guys when it comes to that. So the, uh, it's, a ring is a profound confidence builder. So I, I believe that it addresses the venous leak that interacts with these confidence anxiety issues. And I can illustrate that with another example in which my wife Tested me to the extreme.
Elliot: Oh, we live in Montana. We live, we live, we live
Leah: Appreciate your wife's dedication to science. I just have to say. Way to go, sister. Okay.
Elliot: again, you can try this out at home. men have three common complaints about women that they don't want to communicate.
Elliot: Whatever the therapist says about communication, there are three things that men don't want to communicate with women. One is, Your pussy's too loose. That's kind of a [00:25:00] buzzkill for women, for women in bed. You've had too many kids. You're too old. I don't feel like that's that that that's bad too. Um, I'm bored.
Elliot: How many times have we made love from behind a missionary position? Uh, can we mix it up? Cause this ain't this I'm losing it. It is exactly as bad, right? Can we have
Leah: in this bed.
Elliot: on the sofa? How about the sofa? How about this? The kitchen, the
Willow: about the stovetop? Let's do
Elliot: that's hot.
Willow: Something. That could be really hot.
Leah: As long as I'm not on the bottom.
Willow: Careful
Elliot: Right, yeah, so, and the third, doesn't apply to all women, but many women will admit this, and last night we had four women over, and three of them admitted this. In the middle of sex, women can suddenly start, even when they're turned on, can suddenly start talking about something else that got to get off their mind, or a great idea.
Elliot: Something that happened with the kids, uh, something went on at work, something that, oh, I got, wait, wait, I have a great idea.
Willow: for male brain eros?
Leah: not forget to add this to the shopping list.[00:26:00]
Elliot: Or, Oh, did you forgot to do this? That's always, that's always a buzzkill too. So, uh, and it was, it was pretty funny here last night. Cause they just, there's like a 10 second reluctance to admit it. And then three out of the four
Willow: Everyone's
Elliot: I spent the, I took the fourth one, either was lying or doesn't have sex at all with her husband.
Elliot: That was the woman that my wife didn't want. My wife didn't want her to see the dildo. That's the, that's the one who would admit it. So, so my, so it was February in Montana. Uh, and my wife in the middle of sex says, I left the garage door open. Now there's not a relationship in the world where ever women think they think they want things to be equal, where the woman is going to jump out of bed, put on a clothing and close the garage door, admit it, right.
Elliot: This is just
Leah: No, we want you to go do it.
Elliot: we want, of course,
Willow: But first, give me five orgasms.
Leah: in that game. Would
Willow: Keep your dick hard the whole time.
Elliot: So we, we married a long time and I have to confess, have a male temper. And so ordinarily
Willow: You, Dr. [00:27:00] Elliot?
Elliot: I told my wife, You can't hold that thought for five more minutes.
Elliot: Uh, and she said, But it's snowing outside. And we could have snow blowing into the kitchen. I go downstairs. uh, not only is the garage open, but the rear door of her car is open. She probably was bringing groceries in, but, you know, left them both open. Uh, and why, what goes on in her brain when something occurs to her when we're having, when she's turned on, I don't know.
Elliot: I don't, I don't understand that. But I'm, I'm coming back up this.
Willow: callosum between the left and right hemispheres. It's much bigger in women's
Leah: No. I was gonna say. You know women are the eighth wonder of the world. Let's just leave it there
Elliot: well, it's, it's,
Willow: are true.
Elliot: it's, it's clearly a deficiency because I lack a chromosome. I've got the XY thing going on that rather than the XX. So I'm coming up the steps she says. Oh, you know that tequila that I like? Can you put some on the rocks and bring me some? And don't forget the lime. Now, ordinarily, [00:28:00] that would have been another what the fuck moment.
Elliot: We're not having sex, I'm pissed off, I'm gonna turn my back to you when I get into bed
Leah: yeah,
Elliot: thing. And, uh, I'm, uh, so, but I do it.
Willow: So what
Elliot: Why do, and I come, I come upstairs and I've only lost about 10 percent of my erection because I'm wearing the ring.
Willow: Oh, hey now.
Leah: Hey now! Yes!
Elliot: My wife says, That ring works, cause look at you, you're ready for sex again, and you didn't get, you didn't yell, you didn't yell at me the second, the second time, and, pass that tequila over here,
Leah: Yeah, this cock ring saves relationships!
Willow: Think we need to have her on the, on the show.
Elliot: right, and, and she laughed,
Leah: so I've got a I have a question for you now How is it?
Counting Erections with Tech Rings
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Leah: Is it the same cock ring that is also counting the erections at night? Or is that a different device?
Elliot: Different, we have two different cock rings. [00:29:00] So the cock ring, the counter functions as an effective cock ring. And it can be tightened up. Because it's going through the loop. If your penis is on one side, you can just tighten it around the shaft. That's what I do at night. Before I have sex, I tighten it around the shaft to get the benefit of a cock ring.
Elliot: And then for comfort, I just pull a little bit the other way. And I wear it overnight for the day. So the tech ring is a good cock ring. But the maximum performance ring without the tech was designed to To do two things. One, it's less expensive, and we sold many, many more of these than we've, than we sold of
Leah: Of the tech. Okay.
Elliot: It also,
Willow: how is it, how is it counting? Like what is the tech? Is it on a Bluetooth or what, what's
Elliot: yeah, it's, it's a, it's a Bluetooth app. It's, it's, it's an, it's a phone based app. Uh, there's a pressure sensor here, the strain gauge here, as the penis expands in size. It pulls on the hook, which the sensor is, and it presses against the pressure sensor, [00:30:00] and it tells us how hard, how hard a man gets.
Willow: So not only tells you how many, but how hard
Elliot: how long you last.
Willow: and how long.
Leah: That's really cool. Now, who should buy the tech ring? The information that is providing, the data that it provides that customer, who's the best candidate for that?
Elliot: And really men over the age of 45 or 50. Or any man who's diabetic or hypertensive or is taking medication. We have younger guys by it who, um, they're unable to conceive. We had, we've had two guys. Who, one guy had an adrenal tumor, and these are young guys, one guy's in his 20s, one guy's in his early 30s, one guy had an adrenal tumor, and another guy was taking anabolic steroids.
Elliot: He's trying, and his dick didn't work because he's a bodybuilder. So it is beneficial for younger men, if they're having a significant problem. But it's really for men who are older, 45 or 50, who want to know the vital signs of their penis. And, and ideally you want to use it before you have An overt problem.
Elliot: So I'll have guys sometimes tell me or doctors, well, I'd buy it if I couldn't get it up.
Preventative Medicine and Data Monitoring
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Elliot: [00:31:00] Well, no, actually you want to buy it if you're 55, 50 years old, you want to buy it before and then we don't.
Willow: It's preventative medicine. Yeah.
Elliot: the same reason why if, you know, if I'm, I'm 71 years old or you, even at your age, uh, if you went to a doctor for like a total physical and then to electrocardiogram or check your blood pressure or order blood tests, you think, what is
Leah: Yeah, you're not doing your job.
Elliot: I don't want to find, I want data. And I, and I recognize that there is data that can signal problems before they, you know, before they occur. We've had two men get cardiac catheterizations because their data deteriorated. So it's really valuable, uh,
Tech Ring Usage and Comparisons
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Leah: how often do you recommend someone who has the tech ring test themselves? It's not every night, is it?
Elliot: once, once a week.
Willow: Once a
Elliot: So, uh, and we need 275.
Willow: Oh, it's not that much.
Elliot: So compare, you know, if you compare it to a Whoop or an Opera or an Apple watch or a Fitbit, it's not, you know, it's actually less expensive. And what do men care more about?
Willow: What about the other one?
Leah: Yeah,
Willow: the one for [00:32:00] sex?
Elliot: Yeah. The ones for
Willow: that one for sex though, right?
Elliot: going to get the ones for sex. This, this is, um, my personal go to.
Elliot: This is most men's go to. Why? Because unlike these rings, this will comfortably keep you hard. We say for an hour and a half, but we said that for medical legal reasons. I've, I've wanted for six hours to, and I've actually, at my age, I've managed to come twice in a cut in a few hours, utilizing this. It's really cool, but I designed it because men don't have vibrators.
Elliot: Women rule when it comes to sex toys, men have shit, got these stupid strokers that don't work well. And you've got this kind of vibrating things, things that don't work well. So my thought was, how do we produce a more intense org*sm in a man? We have to put the right amount of pressure over the urethra to prolong the ej*cuatory phase.
Elliot: So we tested on 21 men aged 28 to 70, I was the oldest person, with a goal of increasing the ej*culatory phase by 50 percent in all those men. So my ej*culatory phase with this goes from 4 seconds to 7 seconds. That's an incredible org*sm And, and I don't, [00:33:00] I don't have
Willow: just from using that cock ring
Elliot: Right, and my wife's idea
Leah: is that with combination of a vibrator?
Elliot: No, that's
Leah: No, that's just with a cock
Willow: just
Elliot: so, so what, right. So my wife of course loves me. She digs the fact that I'm, Oh my God, he's not having orgasms. We choose on the fucking pillow. Cause it's, it's, it's, it's so intense.
Willow: because it's going on and on
Elliot: And, and she, and she also likes it because, um, I'll stay hard with the stimulation. So what's, you know, doctors never ask these questions.
Customer Testimonials and Personal Experiences
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Elliot: What are we here for my customers? Common issue. Well, when you actually start to ask them about. About their erectile disappointments as opposed to, Hey, take this pill, come back, come back in three months. Well, oh, well, you know, I get turned on and I go down to my wife, my girlfriend, then my boyfriend and I, and I have oral sex and I, I lose my erection.
Elliot: Then I gotta kind of work hard to get back up to it. Well, with this one , I can, I can, I can, with minimal stimulation, I can stay hard. 30, 40, 45 minutes. Well, that's a real turnoff for my wife, because she doesn't have to think about my pleasure. She can just focus on her pleasure. [00:34:00] And I, and I, we've heard about this from, we got, we got hundreds of testimonials, you know, to that effect.
Leah: Very interesting!
Willow: How much
Leah: is that one?.
Elliot: $60
Willow: Oh, Hey, now that's
Leah: That's a great. That's a great. I mean everyone should be getting what's the website who's not shopping for this right now? Yeah,
Willow: What's the website? Dr. Elliott,
Elliot: _*www.MyFirmTech.com*_,
Willow: my firm tech. Love that. Okay. So now back to
Elliot: Oh, one other thing, one other thing, this, this is the, it's the, the maximum performance ring has been shown to be as effective as Cialis. And by the way, guys out there, if you're going to do this, do both together.
Willow: Oh, do them
Leah: I want one for my husband he's gonna love this!
Willow: Yeah.
Elliot: Husband's going to love it. You're going to love
Leah: You should send me one.
Elliot: I will, give me your address.
Willow: A lot, a lot of, I know I want
Willow: one too, I don't, I don't have a, a I don't got a husband with a dick, but I got a
Willow: lot of, I got a lot of men
Willow: circling around.
Elliot: We were at, International Society of Sexual Medicine show in Amsterdam about a year ago, and a [00:35:00] very tall female urologist, came up to me and was talking about her, her issues with sex, she can't find anyone who's, who's tall in her, uh, and, and she met a guy, and they're going on a date, but she's really worried about that he'll be put off by her height even.
Elliot: And I said, look, just if the, if things are going well after the cocktails, just slide this across the table and tell 'em you'd like to put a ring on it tonight. And she came back the next day. Oh my God, that was what, Great advice. My father would never gimme that kind of advice.
Leah: That's very cheeky, I like that.
How Does the App and the Data Work?
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Leah:
Elliot: You want to see what the data looks like?
Leah: Yeah.
Elliot: Let's see. So we're in the Google and Apple stores. That's Firm Tech.
Leah:
Leah: That is what the score looks like.
Leah: Okay. That's the score after wearing the tech ring.
Elliot: So, 8. 3 is, the average of my age is 6. 8, so that means I'm in good cardiovascular and sexual health. I'll show you what a night, what an overnight reading looks like.
Willow: [00:36:00] Those are your four
Elliot: over here, over here, there's my wife and I having sex. And then I'm having one weak nocturnal and three strong nocturnals and morning wood.
Willow: Okay.
Leah: Cool.
Willow: to see.
Elliot: yeah,
Leah: that is fun to see
Willow: Now
Elliot: Dr. Willow. Dr. Willow, if you've got lots of guys surfing around you, you could have a competition.
Willow: Oh, hey, now we have a
Elliot: contest!
Elliot: Why would you want to, don't you want to sleep with a guy who's
Willow: We're having so much. This is so many good ideas are coming out of this episode. Um, well, I'm curious, okay, let's say somebody doesn't have as good a score as you do, Dr. Elliot. What, uh, what do you recommend for them? What if someone does have poor venous, leakage? Like what, what are the, what's the remedy?
Elliot: The answer for venous leak is, is a ring. But for the other, other problems, we send notifications. Because it could be medications, it could be signaling, signaling significant heart disease, it could be signaling deterioration in their diabetes. So we send notifications. It could be, hey Elliot, um, your erections for your last four readings on [00:37:00] average
Elliot: are 20 percent less than they were the month before or over the last previous, four readings, we recommend that you now as opposed to getting readings once a month or once a week or give, give us four, give us four readings over the next week. And if this pattern persists, you need to see a doctor.
Elliot: Or alternatively, it could be, Hey, Elliot, uh, you're having twice as much sex and your hard ons have gone from eight to a 10. Are you having sex with Dr. Willow? So, we can So, we can do
Willow: That must be what's
Leah: if they're lucky
Willow: Okay, I had another question.
Prostate Health and Recovery
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Willow: I was thinking about, um, I have several clients that I work with who have had prostatectomies due to prostate cancer, um, who do not have erectile, you know, aptitude. So what's the answer there?
Elliot: That's a good, that's a really great question. So there are two, I wasn't thinking about prostate [00:38:00] health or prostate cancer when I got involved in this. I was really thinking about rectal dysfunction and it's cardiovascular causes it's evolved,
Willow: That makes so much sense. Yeah.
Elliot: We were out in the market maybe six months, uh, and I got contacted by a retired PhD engineer who told me he loved, he loved our ring.
Elliot: He's post prostate surgery. He was able to use the ring to track his recovery and to see what, what therapies are working for him. So, right now, if a man is recovering from prostate surgery or radiotherapy, know, well, it's PD5 medications, it's testosterone, it could be pumping, you know, pelvic floor exercises, it's this whole, and all those things are being recommended on the basis of conjecture.
Elliot: And hope without confirmation. And he was able to figure out, well, only, only one of these things is really benefiting me. And then because those men also suffer from shrinkage, and decreased blood flow, the ring also helps to keep them hard. So we have,
Elliot: post prostate surgery chat room of about 15, 16 guys who have used our device [00:39:00] where they exchange information. So we have men who are, um, you know, they're 15, 16 months out and they buy the ring. And it's like, Hey, I got nocturnals. Why can't I have sex with my partner?
Elliot: Well, it's a confidence issue, dude. And, and,
Willow: it, then, you know, it's psychological. Yeah.
Elliot: And, and if you, and if you pump and then put our ring on, The ring will help keep you, keep you hard the confidence thing is profound for men, it's profound for women as well, too.
Willow: yeah.
Leah: Okay.
Male Sexual Health Challenges
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Leah: I've got two follow up questions having to do with male sexual health. One is do you have any advice or insight when it comes to men who have a hard time reaching orgasm and ejaculation. And do you have any advice for men who are frustrated by their ejaculatory control, meaning they feel like they come too quickly?
Leah: Oh,
Elliot: problem, um, first. Well, the advantage of, of an effective cock ring is it can keep men comfortably hard after they cum. I'm old and I got a [00:40:00] successful marriage. In a successful marriage, the woman always comes first if she wants, and probably comes third if she wants as well too.
Elliot: So, I don't need to keep thrusting in order to satisfy my wife. What she likes about it is if I stay hard for four or five minutes after I come, I'm in a different mindset. Because the male mindset is come and done. Hey, well, who texts me while we're fucking, or let's get a drink, or have a puff of pot, or let's go to bed.
Elliot: Or, um, whereas if a man is hard, we actually spend more time talking. It's more, more romantic and intimate. Right. We have, we have younger men using our maximum, using the, um, the maximum performance ring for this reason. And it builds up the confidence in their relationship. They know they're going to come too soon, but they're going to stay hard and they can, they can feel like they can satisfy their partner.
Leah: Okay, interesting.
Leah: We
Elliot: also have men who have, a couple, two men I'm aware of because they contacted me, who have used the, who have used the, uh, the tech ring, the data, to demonstrate to their partner that, no, I'm not coming too soon. Maybe you're taking too long to come. [00:41:00] Now that's a whole other issue.
Leah: It's a whole other fight.
Elliot: right.
Willow: I don't know if that's a good angle, guys. I'm not sure about that.
Elliot: Because, I,
Willow: try
Elliot: I just, I just say that because these, these guys were, you know, people get angry at each other about sex and death.
Willow: For sure.
Elliot: So
Leah: so vulnerable.
Elliot: if a guy
Leah: get so defensive.
Elliot: and comes and takes, and can show his partner that, and he's a young guy, Hey, it's taking me six minutes before I ejaculate. Is that premature ejaculation at that age? I don't think so. That's just a young guy. That's a, and, uh, so that's the premature ejaculation.
Leah: Okay.
Elliot: side. and the premature ejaculators also report that they have the ring on and they stay hard. I'm talking about young guys now, guys in their 20s. They can come again a second time more easily than they can without, the ring on.
Willow: But as far as the older men in general who have difficulty climaxing, well, that's hard to suss out. So, is it a lack of friction? just had a guy who had a $10,000 workup at a major [00:42:00] men's longevity center for this very problem. He's in his 60s, his wife is in his 50s and it, and he gets hard and they lose it.
Elliot: He wasn't getting friction. They were still trying to have sex like Eighteen year olds. Hey, I got a hard on. Let's go right to the missionary position or from behind. Well, I asked him, do you have any difficulty with Jacqueline when you use your hand? And he said, no. I said, well, there's your answer.
Elliot: Both of you need to recognize that we worked for you 20 years ago. It's not going to work for you anymore. She needs to use her hand. Or you need to figure it out. You need more friction than you're getting. There's nothing wrong with that. That's normal.
Leah: Yeah. I think, I think oftentimes it's you're not having the kind of sex you want. And, Um, and are maybe getting numbed out. Uh, and I think you're right. I think it does depend on are you successfully reaching climax in your self pleasuring? And I think a lot of men tend to numb out their penis because they do need a certain kind of friction and a certain kind of speed [00:43:00] that a mouth or hand or a vagina can't compete with because he's trained his dick to only feel one way.
Porn, Masturbation, and Sexual Satisfaction
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Elliot: well, the training thing, to my mind, comes from this notion that porn is bad and guys are jerking off too much to porn. And that's, I think that, I'm not saying that's not an issue.
Leah: That can happen,
Elliot: We would never tell women today, don't use a vibrator. They think, what the fuck are you talking about? Because vibrators have, so you would never tell a woman, no, you need to come with penetrative sex without a vibrator.
Elliot: That, that would
Leah: That doesn't fly.
Elliot: Right, the, um, even the sex positive communities is telling men, a lot of men, Hey, you're addicted to porn, and you're addicted to your hand. Bullshit, for a lot, for a lot of that. No, this provides me with the friction that I need.
Elliot: My wife's got hands, she's great with her hands too, by the way. Uh, why, and you, you ladies probably are too. Why, why would you insist that I, that, you know, if a guy can only [00:44:00] come with his hand. That's kind of, not to someone else's, then now it, that's, that suggests something else, um, and, and, and there's some problem in the intimacy, et cetera.
Elliot: But this whole telling men, and if men can only come to porn exclusively. That's the problem, especially in a relationship. But if a man watches porn and masturbates and has sex with his partner, male or female, and struggles to come with that partner because that partner is insisting that the only way they can come is with penetrative sex, either anus or vagina or even mouth, that's wrong.
Elliot: Put a hand on it. A woman's hand, a man's hand, there's a brain attached to it. A vagina and a butt and a rectum, they don't have brains attached to them
Leah: Never thought of it that way.
Willow: Yeah, that's very
Elliot: Because we're being told to think about it otherwise. I'm pissed off. In fact, you know, I've kind of gone on about it because I'm pissed off about that issue. Because it's I hear it all the time. Well, guys, we get the point. They make sure I call. I watch porn all the time, but my wife's hands, I prefer my wife's hand to my hand.
Elliot: [00:45:00] Why?
Leah: Well, women jerking off to porn too. So
Elliot: Yeah, they are. And we don't tell women, we don't tell women don't use a vibrator
Leah: Well, here's an interesting thing. Here's what I want to push back on just a little bit when it comes to the porn issue is that is men under 40 having erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation at ages they shouldn't be encountering that as a result of compulsive porn issues that's increasing their anxiety and making it difficult for them to actually have sexual relationships with partners. Um, and I think it's an anxiety issue.
Leah: Do you have any comment on that?
Elliot: I do. Cause, um, for my conversation with. And you've probably spoken to more men in this situation, because my conversations with these guys are, you know, eight to ten guys who contact me because they're looking for, looking for a solution, and I open up my calendar five hours a week to talk to anyone about sex.
Elliot: Well, a lot of these guys, when I query them, They've got fetishes. what porn do you watch? I only watch strap on porn. Okay, well, my wife or girlfriend, they're not going to do that. Or they're afraid to ask their girlfriend to do it.
Elliot: and that's where the addiction to my mind part comes in. I've had one guy, [00:46:00] you know, tell me he jerks off to, he watches porn about women in high heels. Well. And they complaining about his wife having fat legs, but you know, what can I say?
Elliot: Um, I,
Leah: So then it's like a turn on issue
Elliot: it's, it's, I think it's a turn on issue and they, and they've got, they've taken it to the point and they watch these guys are watching a lot of porn when you're really at, when you're, you know, watch a little bit of porn every day. Well,
Willow: Yeah, what's a little bit?
Leah: the yeah, there's a difference between a little bit of porn every day and then compulsive where it's fucking up your job And you're spending a lot of money on it. It's fucking up your finances and it's a Preventing you from having normal relationships, then you have, then there, then we're headed into a, uh, consultation with maybe an addiction specialist.
Elliot: Yes. I agree with
Elliot: that.
Willow: know, and with with with masturbating your own cock and just having that certain amount of friction and that certain amount of you know exactly what is right for you to have the [00:47:00] orgasm as a male. Um, you know, I think a lot of what What we teach with in sexology is to, um, you know, rewire the neural pathways from your cock up to your brain so that you can actually experience, um, different levels of arousal with different levels of friction and frequency and speed and all of that.
Willow: And so I feel like with this cock ring that you, that you're, that's out on the market now that you guys have created, that's so beautifully designed. This could be such a huge um, tool for men to, you know, get over maybe, you know, the psychological addiction, maybe they need some external support with that, but with just like masturbating and always the same frequency and always the same speed and always the same minutes and always the same orgasm, like this could be a way that they could start to slow things down.
Willow: Yeah.
Elliot: That's, that's really interesting. Cause I, cause I, I'll talk about my personal experience and [00:48:00] I have clients I stay harder longer with less stimulation and that's changed the way in which my wife and I make love. And we spend more time talking more time with um, indirect foreplay both of us.
Elliot: There's no longer this rushed orgasm if you will and you guys are
Willow: time
Leah: Less
Elliot: You guys, you guys are young, but I, you know, my wife would be, you know, like before a couple, a few years ago, be, Hey, we're both turned on what's your favorite, what vibrates and I, what position you want to have sex. And it's almost like a quick negotiation basically.
Elliot: And you would get it on and we'd have both have orgasms, okay, we're done. But now we have sex for, we, we, almost twice as long, like we've gone from like 10 to 15 minutes to 45, sometimes an hour. And she has more climaxes, uh, and I, uh, and, and I get edged, edged more and more and more, it's more, it's more sexually satisfying, but in terms of intimate, the intimacy, and we can speculate about oxytocin and these [00:49:00] other hormone benefits, but in terms of the intimacy, it's more, more profound.
Elliot: We love each other more, uh,
Willow: because there's more
Leah: Because of the sexual intimacy, yeah.
Elliot: And that's where the Tantra, a little bit of Tantra component, if you will, and, you know, it enters into it. But I wouldn't dare try to tear my wife's vibrator out of her hand. You know, that would be, uh,
Leah: We want you
Willow: and that's your point, right? So don't dare take my fucking porn and masturbation time away.
Elliot: Because I probably like you, I mean, she, you know, I, you know, my mother had one vibrator. It's the fifties and it was buried, hidden away, hidden away, you know, and I don't know how many of my wife has because it depends upon your women, you understand it's better than I do. I'm not recognizing.
Elliot: She can always come into the bedroom with a bandolier on because she wants a different sensation at a different time and she might want one vibrator for her first orgasm, another vibrator for second orgasm, or depending on what position is, she might want to change it up. Great for women. And that's why men, men's situation sucks.
Elliot: All we got is [00:50:00] the ring. But anyway, but the, but it was, it's,
Anal Orgasms and Sexual Intimacy
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Willow: There's a lot of anal Devices out there now do any take on anal devices are
Elliot: I
Willow: working on anything like that?
Elliot: We, um, I, by the way, I think they are, you're speaking, you know, I'm, I'm a proponent of, of anal sex, but, but it, but it's, it's not a primary wave for most men's orgasms. So this men who claim that they have
Willow: Not yet?
Elliot: orgasms, are they,
Leah: I think they are. There's a hypogastric nerve that's running through there that can carry orgasm to the brain.
Elliot: That's, that's what this
Willow: Definitely.
Elliot: Becomes this documents it.
Willow: Oh.
Leah: Okay, so tell us more about that.
Willow: Yes!
Elliot: The one thing, one of the things is really, uh, one
Leah: Talking to two sex geeks over here. Now we're getting into nerves, hypogastric nerve is like my new favorite
Willow: thing.
Willow: We're at time, but we got to keep going here. Well
Elliot: okay. So let's talk about the anal climax in men. if it's [00:51:00] just from, from, uh, Hitting the prostate and producing the leakage of ejaculatory fluid, is that an orgasm? Is it associated with ejaculatory contractions of the urethra? So there are two, there are two components, and this is one of the reasons why the female clitoris is superior to the penis, but there are two components to a male orgasm.
Elliot: Even a dry orgasm, like older guys have. One is the PCG muscle contractions, which women have as well, too. So it's the muscles that surround the, the, the anus and around, and around the vagina. And you can, interestingly, this, um, if you compare male and female orgasms, the PCG muscle contractions, the waveform is exactly the same.
Leah: Is that
Elliot: What's different is, what's different is that women can have more waves, but the wave form is the same. Um, but, uh, the other component to a male orgasm is the, is the ejaculatory contractions. Whether sperm comes out or sperm doesn't come out. And no one has yet shown, um, a male anal orgasm is producing ejaculatory [00:52:00] contractions.
Elliot: That's what I've seen. Guys claim it. But is that, is that, is it ejacultory contraction or is it just a leakage of
Leah: fluid?
Leah: What about just anal contractions? Does it have to have a penile response for there to be an anal orgasm.
Elliot: Well, show it to me with a probe. I'm open minded about this. I've got guys who make this claim, and my point as well. Um,
Leah: Where's the data?
Elliot: where's the data exactly? Because when people talk about, when people tell me that I had an orgasm in my brain, yeah, well, I'm in the objective world. Believe me, I'm in the subjective and objective world as well too.
Elliot: I understand that a good deal of desire, pleasure, you know, is subjective. Uh, but then I'm, on the business side, and the medical side, I'm focused on what is objective. we need to see these, these two components, and I have not seen that data, and I, and I recognize that, that anal sex can be pleasurable without The penis, but it generally isn't.
Elliot: So actually, well, this, the maximum performance ring, we have gay guys buying this who are bottoms. [00:53:00] Why? Because they want to stay hard.
Leah: Yeah.
Elliot: It's more satisfying to them if they're bottom to stay hard while being, um,
Willow: penetrated.
Leah: Because a lot of guys love to be penetrated, but they don't necessarily have erections when they are.
Elliot: They get annoyed that they lose their erection. So we actually we have doms.
Elliot: Uh, two doms I know of who buy this for their subs because it's more of a turn on. Hey, the guy, if the guy is just, you get the point.
Leah: Yeah.
Elliot: The guy's getting more for his monies, but basically with these pro doms, if he has a hard on, then if he doesn't have a hard-on.
Leah: Yeah. So, what a rich conversation. Thank you so much for enlightening us and our audience today.
Elliot: Pleasure.
Leah: And um, Yeah, sold. I'm getting me a cock ring. I'm gonna strap it on
Willow: Affirm tech, firm
Leah: dedicate the night to getting some
Elliot: Think of this as foreplay. It's time for you to put a ring on him.
Leah: Mm hmm. That's right. It's time for the love lab.
Leah: Cool.
Willow: Thank you so much.[00:54:00]
Elliot: You're welcome.
The Dish with Leah & Dr. Willow
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Announcer: Now our favorite part, the dish.
Leah: Well, that was a very interesting conversation. I am loving the research. very very enlightening. Um, I can't wait to try this new coching and the amazing technology. It looks so much more comfortable
Willow: and so much much easier. to get on than every other coching. You know, I have to say, I, I tried the Adam Plus with one of my lovers not too long ago, and watching him try to get that fucker on was like, that was the best part of, no, it wasn't the best part, but it was hilarious.
Willow: It
Willow: was really good for a lot of laughs. And so this one is gonna be so much easier to put on. And just like, what a, what a dream. And I imagine too, I, I, 'cause I recently was helping a man have his first non-ejaculatory orgasm. So I'm imagining with like the tantric tools, the, you know, the breathing, the running [00:55:00] energy through different meridians in your body and all of that.
Willow: Plus using this at
Willow: the same time is gonna really, really
Willow: be a game changer. I feel
Leah: think so too.
Willow: technology that their creating.
Leah: You know, I almost asked him, but then I realized he's not gonna have an answer to this. He's not
Willow: to the non ejaculatory
Leah: which was, no, it was really like for men to be sexual more often, but to ejaculate less, that actually conserving the chi that is in sperm by not ejaculating and squandering the ejaculation,
Leah: and then learning how to separate your orgasm from ejaculation. Then provides you with more volunteer erections that you tend to lose as you age. I mean, that's a lot of what Tantra supports. Now, no one's ever done a study to see how true is that.
Willow: Well, I.
Willow: mean that could be, he's doing all this great research that could be a little fun subset of data research that, that
Leah: I have feeling that it would be hard for a lot of people in the medical industry to take that kind of research [00:56:00] seriously because it's, it's a high, it's a high gradient skill. Like you have to have enough discipline to not always go for the ejaculation in order to learn how to separate the two. Um. I mean, it would be great.
Leah: It'd be great for like a taoist teacher who had the medical background. Hint, hint, Dr. Willow Brown.
Willow: research. I'm just like, I don't have the bandwidth to go toward
Leah: research.
Leah: I know to do like research studies are so expensive and so labor intensive and then ugh. But I do love, I do love that people are out doing research like this. 'Cause I am just, I just wanna sink my teeth into it. It's so interesting to me.
Willow: And I, I real, this is definitely new for me. Um, new information that I wasn't so, you know, clearly aware of.
Willow: Is that really what, what shows aging. An aging penis is the, is the refractory period.
Willow: And how long he can stay hard versus how many [00:57:00] you know, you, like. I, I always thought, okay, well it's how many you can have and you know how many you can have per day and all that kind of stuff. But
Leah: oh,
Willow: not it.
Leah: It's the refractory period. Yeah.
Willow: Like how long you can stay hard and
Willow: that refractory period that, um, and so, and, and really like the, the keeping, keeping the blood flow in is, you know, is
Leah: right.
Willow: You know, what I would love to hear
Willow: is
Leah: that was an important distinction. Sorry, go ahead.
Willow: yeah. I would love to hear a conversation between Dr.
Willow: Anne Truong and
Willow: Dr. Elliot. Justin. Maybe we should have both of them.
Leah: get him
Willow: Let's have them. No, let's have them on our show
Leah: Yeah. Oh, we can have them both.
Willow: Yeah, let's have them both. I love that. Yeah.
Leah: Yeah, I think she'll love him. I think she'll be really into it. Um.
Willow: already had 'em, I'm sure.
Leah: Right. That's possible. We'll find out. We'll have the links to Dr.
Leah: Anne's episode where we talk a lot about [00:58:00] erectile dysfunction in the show notes. Um, one of the things I really appreciated was the distinction of you can get hard, but you have a hard time staying hard. Like that, that little distinction wasn't quite in my language. Um, which will change now in the kind of conversations I have with people who are struggling with that.
Leah: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I am, I really had never dawned on me or like, do women get nocturnal erections? And because I don't think we exactly have, uh, morning wood.
Willow: No,
Leah: But maybe this, maybe it's, maybe we do
Willow: have fun sex dreams. have you ever had one of those dreams where you are totally having a full on raging orgasm in the
Leah: Fuck. Uh, yes. I live for them.
Willow: They're so good. I
Willow: mean, that's gotta be
Leah: up with the orgasm.
Willow: Yeah, I know. They're
Leah: Yeah. So it'd be really cool to see if when [00:59:00] you have orgasm dreams, you know, because I always just assumed and it feels like I am 1000% having a real orgasm in bed when that's happening. I had one just like, was it last night or the other night?
Leah: And then I kept on going back to it 'cause I can kind of lucid dream. I had nightmares as a kid, so I programmed myself to like learn how to dream about the shit I wanted to dream after a nightmare. So I go back to sexy dreams and then I continue to try to come for the rest.
Willow: Look at you. You're so, you're so adept and skilled in the dream
Willow: space. I had no idea. Okay. I have to tell you total side note, I had the most epic fucking dream last night. It was like a whale. I was sitting in on this rock in the middle of the ocean and this whale came up to me and it like came behind me and it kept making this like whale noise behind me until I finally, I was afraid of it at first, and then it finally like wrapped its tongue around me and gave me like a big whale tongue [01:00:00] hug. And then I was like rubbing its whole snout, part of its face. And like, just like
Willow: we were, we were in love, Me and this whale we
Willow: were having like. Oceanic whale chasm, dream
Willow: space. It was the most insane dream I think I've ever had.
Leah: Oh my God. If anyone knows anything about whale medicine...
Willow: I mean, I'm sure I must have been having a clitoral heart on that whole time.
Leah: Wow. Yeah, that
Willow: there was this
Willow: amazing deep peace to it. It was just, it was profound.
Willow: So I'm glad I got to share that because I haven't, I don't have anyone else to talk to about it today. So,
Leah: You can always share it with us, the Sex Reimagined community.
Willow: right.
Leah: Well, it's a good one. All right, thanks, Dr. Elliott Justin. And, um, check out his website, which is _*www.MyFirmTech.com*_. Get yourself [01:01:00] a cock
Willow: Of them cock rings.
Leah: Yep. Oh, we'll have the link for the cock ring also.
Willow: Mm-hmm.
Leah: so there you go.
Announcer: Thanks for tuning in. This episode was hosted by Tantric Sex Master Coach and positive psychology facilitator, Leah Piper, as well as by Chinese and Functional Medicine doctor and Taoist Techology teacher, Dr. Willow Brown. Don't forget your comments, likes subscribes, and suggestions matter. Let's realize this new world together.
