E.142 | SxS | Dr. Soum Rakshit | FINAL
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Introduction and Episode Overview
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Leah: Well, hey there friends, curious if you're not driving, is your phone nearby? Why don't you grab it, look at your screen and go ahead and follow, like, subscribe because we're headed into a really fun episode. And uh, hey, good morning, good afternoon, good evening. This is Leah Piper and Dr. Willow Brown. We're the host of the Sex Reimagined podcast.
Meet Dr. Soum Rakshit: From Military Defense to Sexual Health
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Willow: And we're exploring today how military grade technology is a revolutionizing sexual health with Dr. Soum Rakshit, who is the co-founder and CEO of mystery vibe. This is a medical grade, uh, sex toy company.
Willow: He's been working with doctors around the world to create these devices that help people come back to sexual health and wholeness in ways they never imagined. This man used to be, um, a biomedical engineer and [00:01:00] did all this work with US Defense Company for years, and actually walked away from that career and stepped into creating devices that are unheard of on the market.
Leah: Yes. So exciting. So. Tune in, turn on, and fall in love with Dr. Soum.
Announcer: Welcome to the Sex Reimagined Podcast, where sex is shame-free and pleasure forward. Let's get into the show.
The Evolution of Mystery Vibe
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Willow: Okay.
Leah: Here we are.
Willow: Yes. And today we are going to have such a rich and juicy, deep conversation with Dr. Soum Rakshit, a doctor who has revolutionized, um, sexual play tools. And so the question is, what if the same technology used in defense systems could transform your sex life with Dr. Rakshit today we're gonna talk
Willow: about how he left a lucrative career to pioneer devices that have helped over a hundred thousand people overcome intimate health challenges that [00:02:00] so many people are just too embarrassed to even talk about. So we're so excited that you're here, Dr. Rakshit. And you are the CEO and founder of Mystery Vibe. Go ahead and tell us a little bit about how you came to this.
Soum: Thank, thank you so much for having me. And, um, you know, we are very excited to say that it's now 200,000 users. We've helped.
Willow: 200,000 at
Soum: it's, it's, it's growing fast. Um,
Willow: Amazing.
Leah: congrats.
Soum: thank you. Um, well I think the big piece, like you said, is bringing the right amount of technology. From various parts. So we worked in defense before our work.
Soum: Um, this is, goes back 2004, was on biometrics. So using cameras to look at I eyes irises to recognize people. So it was the same area of biomedical engineering, which is what we do now. But the application was very different, is used in security and national, uh, defense. Um, and [00:03:00] even back then. We would work very closely with the doctors, the ophthalmologist, telling us exactly how the eye works, how it's created, how it moves, and then building the tech around it to the, to make it, um, a security application. So that's kind of how we got started in Biomedical with defense as the application. And then we use the exact same technology, which, you know, the components. All of that that we used in defense. Now working with urologists, gynecologists, um, pelvic floor therapist, now telling us what are the big problems with pelvic pain, vaginal dryness, recal dysfunction, prostate pain, all of these areas which are very common. Um, but when we started 11 years ago, uh, it was hard to even explain. do you mean by pelvic floor? There just wasn't enough awareness. There wasn't enough, um, education even within the medical community, outside the experts [00:04:00] say, uh, primary care physician might not know the details of vaginal dryness after menopause.
Soum: So, so I think, you know, we are very lucky that over the 11 years society has moved on so much that we don't have to explain a lot of the things anymore. Um, but when we started it was both using engineering to build the stuff, but also. Creating the education and awareness at the same time.
Innovative Solutions for Pelvic Floor Pain
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Leah: I am curious, how are your products helping someone with pelvic floor pain?
Soum: So all our products are designed to be very malleable, um, and mimic what the standard of care would be, so the standard of care for pelvic flow therapy is fingers.
Leah: Mm-hmm.
Soum: use their fingers, they insert them, reach their points, press them, massage them. So the crescendo device, which is the PT device, is designed with PT is telling us how they would like something that the patient can use at home, which is the main purpose. [00:05:00] So it is not better than going to a therapist. It, the outcome is the same.
Leah: Okay.
Soum: The main difference is that you have access to the care at home and ideally you'd have the first session with a therapist that explain exactly how you would use it and then use it ideally three times a week for 12 weeks. Uh, which is the right amount for therapy as well, and then go back three months later, um, for your, um, hopefully the final session in that, uh, setting where you are pain free. So the product is very much designed to mimic exactly what you would get in therapy. Be
Leah: Oh,
Willow: know, I was at a dinner party at Susan Bratton's and she brought out a whole box of mystery vibe
Leah: is that right?
Willow: yeah, we were playing with them and they are I don't, the, the, the malleability and the texture and the. Softness, but the, but the, but the [00:06:00] structure and just, I mean, they're really something else.
Willow: Like they're really superior products. So, um, you know,
Soum: Thank you,
Willow: that,
Soum: and Susan is amazing. She's been supporting us for years.
Willow: I know she,
Leah: She is a great ally.
Leah: You want Susan Breton on your side? Let me tell you. Yeah.
Willow: Yeah. Yeah.
Career Transition: Military Biometrics to Sexual Wellness
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Willow: So I'm so curious, like what was the turning point? Because you had a really lucrative career in the, um, you know, in the, like in the, in the pre previous business.
Willow: What shifted, what kind of turned your attention toward sexual devices?
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: Yeah, that's, that's actually a really easy answer, once we did our work in ophthalmology and build this camera systems, um, that got acquired, uh, by a US uh, California company, um, and then we were looking at what next do we do? How do we bring our biomedical, because all of us spend years in biomedical already. So I did a PhD and a [00:07:00] postdoc, and I really wanted to apply that, but in an area which was big, but not enough solutions.
Leah: Mm-hmm.
Soum: and we knew nothing about urology or gynecology, you know, uh, doing our work in ophthalmology. So we went to NHS, which is the National Health Service here in, uh, London. Um, and, uh, the head of NHS uh, clinical Entrepreneurship, he himself is a urologist, and he said, you know, the big area that we want people to be working in is urology and gynecology, because, uh, and this goes back, you know, more than, uh, like. When did we first, maybe 13, 14 years ago when we first had this conversation. And he said that there's just so much, uh, so many issues don't even get reported.
Soum: And this is obviously, you know, a while back. Uh, but him as an expert knew how big the problem is. But public didn't. Like, there was no awareness of prostate cancer, which is one in six men. But often people would have prostate cancer, not even know. [00:08:00] it was that bad back then, uh, with anything to do with sexual health. So, so it really is down to that, we got told that this is the big area that guys need to build stuff in and educate people in because almost everyone has some issue, you know, or multiple issues, uh, many times in life. So It's not something very complicated like, you know, solving, um, a very complex cancer. It's something that happens to everybody, you know, as a matter of life. Whether it's, postal birth pain or menopause or, E.D., it's just like normal life. It's nothing really, odd but there just wasn't enough solutions. Whether it's tablet based solution, therapy based solution, device based solution. There just wasn't enough solutions. So that was the, the driver behind deciding to put in our bio-med engineering expertise into Euro guide.
Willow: You were just done with one thing and looking for the next thing, and you were, and[00:09:00]
Soum: Yes, exactly.
Willow: to find like, what, what is it
Soum: I.
Willow: needed in the market today? That's so great.
Soum: exactly. Yeah. And, and even today, uh, you know, the main thing I would add is when we build a device, it's very much driven by clinicians selling us what we should be building. You know, we, we don't have like a product roadmap saying, these are the things we are going to build just because we feel like building them. So, yeah.
Willow: And when you say clinicians, are you talking about medical doctors primarily or
Soum: Yeah. Uh, you know, therapists,
Willow: physical therapists, people who do
Leah: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Soum: Anyone in sexual health. a very nice example is, uh, recently at a UA, the Urologist Association Conference. we met a, a doctor who said the big issue for them is post penal surgery rehabilitation. So, after surgery, the patients would need a special type of bandage in order to compress the penis and then, you know, obviously have to take it off or
Leah: What kind of surgery was this To the penis or just any surgical.[00:10:00]
Soum: any penal surgery
Leah: Okay.
Soum: that would need rehabilitation. Um, which is generally with compression bandages, but it's quite difficult, you know, it gets wet and then you have to replace them.
Leah: Right
Soum: they, and, and you know, like a lot of our products just starts with these conversations. And they said, you know, can you guys figure out something? A way to address this without using bandages. And um, and we researched for a while and we figured out a way would be using magnets. So in
Leah: magnets?
Soum: Yeah, a, a very flexible medical silicone with magnets in between, which can be wrapped around the penis. And the magnet would be like a groove to tighten,
Leah: Okay.
Soum: So it can be as compressive or as relaxed as you need in
Leah: Wow, that is so cool.
Soum: reusable. So, you know, like
Leah: Okay.
Soum: we do often are quite simple. You know, it's not a complicated thing. Um, but driven by, uh, a real problem [00:11:00] that the clinicians and the patients face right now, and there isn't any easy solution.
Leah: Yeah, if we can go back to the pelvic floor. So I've got a, um, a student who has just... penetration, uh, penis vagina penetration is just excruciating. It is so painful. The pain is mostly, uh, in and around entroitus. She's worked with dilators, she's done some pelvic floor therapeutic, um, interventions. Things have improved a little bit, but there's a sense of hopelessness, right?
Leah: When you feel like you can't have the type of sex your friends are having that, that your partner really wants to have. It can feel so hopeless and so discouraging and i'm curious, so first two questions. One is, are a lot of your products being sold to medical professionals dealing with various issues that are more medical related?
Leah: Are you also selling to the [00:12:00] public for their own pleasure and exploration?
Soum: It's both. So yes, you could get the devices from your clinician, uh, it's F-S-H-S-A, so you know, you can use your F-S-H-S-A cards to buy them, but equally you can go to our website or Walmart or Amazon and buy the devices. You don't need a prescription. We are fully reimbursed by Veterans Affairs, so if you're a veteran, you can get it completely free, of course,
Leah: Wow.
Soum: um, through your V.A.
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: primary care. Uh, and the reason for that is pelvic pain is really big in female veteran soldiers, and erectile dysfunction is very big in male veteran soldiers. So, so the things that we do apply, uh, which is why, um, we are fully covered by them. So it really depends on, you know, your, um, circumstance, whether you would buy it online
Leah: Okay,
Soum: a clinician or through another channel.
Leah: it's, it's possible that your insurance could cover, uh, the devices.
Soum: only F-S-H-S-A.
Willow: yeah,
Soum: is partial. So the reimbursement [00:13:00] code is what we are currently working on. So we presented, uh, so pelvic pain as of yet isn't covered from A DME, which is durable medical equipment perspective. However, it is covered from a CPT code, which means therapy is covered. Um, it depends
Leah: Okay.
Soum: where you go, but there are CPT codes for it. So we have presented to CMS, um, in order to create a DME code. Um, and even if we don't get a DME code, we should be able to get a S code. Um, what S code means is that it would be covered by private insurers, but not by Medicare and Medicaid.
Leah: Okay.
Soum: by the end of this year, we should have the S code.
Willow: amazing.
Soum: we started, uh, two years ago.
Soum: Yeah.
Leah: Okay.
Willow: revolution, revolutionary event in and of itself for sexual devices. For them to
Soum: Yeah. And, and it would apply to anything in pelvic pain.
Willow: Even for FHSA for it to be covered by that is great.
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: took two years.
Leah: was gonna say, I was gonna say that must have been a process.
Leah: Um, I have a follow-up question, and you may or may not be able to answer this. [00:14:00] Maybe a pelvic floor therapist would be able to answer this more, but I'm curious with this particular example, how would your device work for that pain that resides, uh, right around the enteritis or the vaginal opening?
Leah: Is there any way you can explain that? I was just looking at the device online to kind of see its shape.
Soum: so that's actually a different device. Um, it's called a Legato and it's designed for people who cannot insert anything at all.
Leah: Okay.
Soum: Um, so the device I was talking about earlier is crescendo and it's
Leah: Okay.
Soum: mimic fingers going inside.
Leah: Okay.
Soum: we have another version called Malta, which is a single finger going inside for people who don't want two finger width. However, um, for patients who cannot insert anything at all. It's a completely different, um, modality where the device legato, which looks like this, it sits at, on the labia and it vibrates to create blood flow and arousal and lubrication. [00:15:00] Um, so the original reason why we created it is based on feedback from menopause specialists creating something that sits externally can to be used during intercourse. Yeah. So it's a very big opening
Leah: Okay.
Willow: does
Soum: yeah.
Willow: go through, does it pass through the intro at all or just stimulate the vulva.
Soum: It just stimulates the vulva and the, um, labia. So it's purely like, um, oh. You know, um,
Willow: you would recommend for this, uh,
Soum: so for someone who cannot insert anything,
Leah: She, she can, she can be penetrated. Um, is it possible that it would be helpful to use both those devices together? Mm-hmm.
Soum: Yeah. Because the gap is so big.
Leah: Yeah. The one digit? Yeah. Yeah.
Soum: tool. Yeah. It's literally index finger. And again, that is, and this is what's so interesting about our devices. So typically we get told X, you know, it's like one thing and we build something for that, and then it's used somewhere completely [00:16:00] different.
Soum: And,
Leah: Of course, right?
Soum: out much later,
Leah: Mm-hmm.
Soum: Years later we find out it's being used, you know, in a big amount there. So MAL is the perfect example of that. It was designed.
Leah: Malta.
Soum: Yeah. It was designed,
Leah: Oh.
Soum: uh, M-O-L-T-O, malto. So it was designed to mimic, uh, the index finger in order to reach the prostate, vibrate the prostate, and help with pain relief.
Soum: Yeah. And it's very common, like typically go to a urologist and they would insert the fingers literally that there's nothing special. Yeah. And then that, because it's so slim, um became really useful in pelvic flow therapy for women who had, you know, never even heard of our device for prostate care.
Leah: Right.
Leah: Right.
Willow: Right. Right.
Leah: Wow.
Soum: yeah.
Willow: Now, I'm, I have a student example now. So, um, so I've got a, a, a guy who has like, the, the point of [00:17:00] penetration is kind of when he goes away, like he can't experience his body anymore due to a lot of, um, you know, more, more pressure from society, performance anxiety, that kind of
Willow: things. So I'm just curious. I'm sure you have an amazing device that would
Willow: Help
Willow: his, like, um, being able to penetrate without getting overly excited and overly pressured in that moment. But I'm also curious if you've found, um, your, the use of your devices to really help people in their mind as well, to help them get over limiting beliefs, societal constructs, things that really block us from having better sex.
Leah: I, can I ask a distinction in your question? Willow? Are you saying that he goes away at the point of penetrating someone or being penetrated himself?
Willow: Penetrating someone.
Leah: Got it.
Soum: And, and do you mean? Um, he has erection, [00:18:00] uh, erectile dysfunction as a result of psychogenic.
Willow: Uh, he, he, I wouldn't say he has more just like, um, you know, feeling like perf like he needs to perform, like he needs to do it, right? Like he has, he's got this pressure. And so then at the point of penetration, if there hasn't been enough buildup for him at that point of penetration, he, um,
Leah: Dissociates.
Willow: He kind of like, you know, he just gets too excited. He just gets
Leah: Does that mean he ejaculates or like.
Willow: I would say probably sometimes, like, probably there's a, um, a, a premature ejaculation thing going on at some times, but I think that, that it's, it's sort of just is causing this anxiety about penetrating at all.
Leah: Yeah. Does it like ruin sex for him where he is just like now he is just in his head?
Soum: That that is. Um, so interestingly, uh, and kind of all of this falls under the psychogenic, um, side of, uh, male [00:19:00] sexual dysfunction. Uh, where physiologically everything is fine, you know, arteries, blood flow, uh, muscles, et cetera. Um, and it's, um, in the mind. Um, and sadly 40%, which is the biggest segment, um, of Ed specifically is psychogenic.
Soum: But, premature ejaculation is also a massive issue, um, as well, especially amongst younger men, which ironically becomes a different issue later
Leah: I know, isn't that? Yeah. Geez.
Leah: Yeah.
Leah: Right.
Soum: As you get older, it gets harder and harder to ejaculate, uh, um, whereas early on it's the reverse problem. Um, so the work we do, and the reason I brought it up is all on the delayed side. Um, and there is actually really good company, um, on premature ejaculation called my  Mihixel and what they do.
Willow: it called?
Soum:  Mihixel ,
Leah: Can you spell that?
Soum: I think it's M-I-H-I-X-E-L.
Willow: Okay.
Soum: Also a med device um, but what they do [00:20:00] is training, so they have a device and a, uh, you know, like a sleeve, right? it has like compression and stuff and there's an app and it tells you when to stop and then train yourself so you don't ejaculate, and then do a bit more and then stop, you know, like it's a
Leah: Okay. It, uh, monitors your, your response and so helps you delay your ejaculation by giving you presence to stop all friction.
Willow: And if,
Soum: Exactly.
Willow: heard of a penis sleeve before, it's kind of like a, a big rubber
Leah: You talking about a, oh, you're not talking about like a pocket pussy,
Willow: No, we're talking about a penis sleeve.
Leah: a penis sleeve,
Willow: it's kind of thick generally, and it kind of
Soum: yeah,
Willow: would, it, would it create more girth if you were having sex with a penis sleeve?
Willow: There would be more
Soum: yeah.
Willow: girth around that penis
Leah: so.
Willow: So this device, it
Soum: No, this device is really big. Like you, it's just to train.
Leah: Yeah, but it, it's for,
Leah: [00:21:00] it's self pleasure. Obviously you wouldn't use this with a partner when the stakes are really high. Yeah,
Soum: very much a, it's, it's very much like a training device you use and you learn to control your
Leah: yeah,
Soum: three months, six
Leah: sure.
Willow: cool.
Soum: Uh, and then, you know, hopefully you've already got to the point where you can control your ejaculation and
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: you don't need the device and you know, you,
Leah: That's, that's great. So it's measuring basically so you have a more felt sense awareness of where your "I could come soon" triggers are, those sensations, that mindfulness, so that you can track that when the stakes are high and you might be with a partner. Okay.
Soum: Yeah.
Willow: to
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: The other thing I would add to that, um, you know, the, uh, patient you mentioned is, if they use, penile constriction ring.
Willow: Yeah.
Soum: Uh, as long as it's the right size, it's comfortable, then even if they ejaculate, they can maintain direction and,
Leah: Mm.[00:22:00]
Soum: and have intercourse. Uh, which is a, you know, big part of say using a vacuum pump, uh, which is a really common device for ed. It's using a vacuum pump to get erect,
Leah: Are you talking about a penis pump?
Soum: Yes. Correct.
Leah: And when you say ring, are you talking about a cock ring?
Soum: Uh, yes, but you could get them very specifically, which have, let's say a bit in the bottom to allow for ejaculation, not just a simple circle,
Willow: Not a
Soum: the, the, the challenge with using a circle is it constricts the blood and the semen.
Leah: Okay.
Willow: learned about
Soum: rings.
Willow: incredible coch rings that, um, what was that doctor's name?
Leah: Dr. Justin.
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: Elliot has a really good one. Uh, it's called Firm Tech.
Leah: yeah,
Leah: yeah,
Soum: exactly.
Willow: monitors, like when you're sleeping, it monitors
Soum: Correct.
Willow: um,
Soum: Nocturnal
Leah: yeah. Your nocturnal erections.
Willow: like that for, for
Leah: Yeah. Oh yeah. Do you have any cock rings that are [00:23:00] specifically sized or have a unique design?
Soum: So the device we make, uh, specifically for erections is tenuto. Uh, it has two sizes, uh, tenuto, the large one and the small one. Um, and what that does is it solves the issue of having two separate devices. One, to get erect like a vacuum, penis pump. And two, to hold the erection using a ring. So this does is vibrates on the penis, glans the head
Leah: Okay.
Soum: the arousal and the blood flow, and then you stretch it, bring it back and place it at the base to constrict the penis bloods in the penis and have a gap in the bottom for ejaculation. And then the big version also has a separate perineum stimulator to continue that arousal the blood flow to the penis. So what that does is address eD issues, which are blood flow related. Um, I mean, the [00:24:00] problem is that's all we can do. What we cannot solve, and you need definitely, uh,
Soum: is the world's first wearable device.
Soum: for is when it's psychogenic, um, we can still physiologically help with blood flow. Um, so we have a publication on that helping psychogenic ed patients get erect again, because it just does a very physical activity of pushing the blood in. Um, but we would still say the underlying reasons need to be addressed as to why say performance anxiety, stress is affecting erection and
Breakthrough Prostate Stimulation Research
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Soum: ejaculation.
Leah: Do you have any solutions that you're working with now that are, uh, pertaining to men of a difficult time reaching climax?
Willow: Like they just
Leah: can't get over the hill and their partner's like, would you cum already and
Soum: yeah. Yes, exactly. So we just recently published a paper, um, which is the first paper of its kind, uh, which I'm so excited about it. Um, using [00:25:00] prostate stimulation to overcome an ejaculation. I. And delayed. So
Willow: able to
Soum: being, yes. So, um, uh, so the multi device Yep. Um, which originally was designed for
Leah: The pro okay to the prostate pain management for prostate pain.
Soum: And no one had ever done a study linking prostate simulation to ejaculation.
Leah: That's
Leah: great.
Soum: it was the first time ever. No. The reason is there wasn't any device to do it with. It's not that the, the, uh, urologist
Willow: this
Soum: knew. But that's, that's the problem, is you cannot really run a study
Willow: can't,
Soum: with, you know, where you have to constantly go to somebody to do because you can't physically reach your own prostate.
Soum: And that was the big issue, right? So, and, and this is not somebody with any prostate issues, so you would not really do that. Um, but the theory was always there that because the prostate creates semen, stimulating it should [00:26:00] lead to ejaculation. And that theory is very obvious, but no one had ever done a study because there was nothing to study with. Yeah. So, so that,
Willow: the MAL two.
Soum: yeah. So the study got published, uh, last month, um,
Willow: cool. So
Soum: proves that,
Willow: about this study.
Leah: Yeah, well, tell us the findings.
Soum: Uh, it, it, it's a very early study in the sense that I think it was, um, 20 / 25 patients, um, all with either delayed or an ejaculation problems, and then they used Molto, it depends on the patient. I think most of them were 10 minutes per session for, um, I think three months.
Soum: Um, and, and, and they had a significant, and there is a, uh, score to measure and they had a significant improvement in their ejaculation, both from delayed to Ann. Um, and then that got accepted and published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine. So that was really exciting. Yeah.
Leah: So, um, let me walk me [00:27:00] through that process. So, in the study, are men having sex with the toy inside of them to help with that ejaculatory response, or is it self pleasure
Leah: and then working with, but they're, they are actively, um, stroking their penis while having this prostate stimulation.
Soum: correct. Yes. And the uh, and, and this cohort of patients didn't have other is issues like ed. So their only issue in order to keep the study simple,
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: only issue was to do with ejaculation. They didn't have other sexual dysfunctions at the same time. So very much the application of process simulation and stroking would then lead to a different outcome from just stroking without any stimulation.
Leah: And, um, it's a vibrator.
Soum: Yes, it is a vibrator
Leah: Okay.
Soum: so, and it's very bendy. It's like a finger, but it adapts to the rectum and reaches
Leah: Yeah, and I noticed it has a very large, um,[00:28:00]
Leah: uh, Base.
Leah: So therefore, if they're not holding it in, it'll stay in by itself.
Soum: it will stay in and more importantly for safeties, it won't get sucked in.
Leah: Yeah. Yeah.
Soum: Yeah.
Leah: All right. Well, cool. I look forward to recommending that to some people I know who are really struggling it with it. In particular, I have one student who shared confidentiality wise that he was having a hard time reaching climax with his wife. I. In his other side relationships, he wasn't having any problem reaching climax.
Leah: And I think that more has to do with, um, the excitement of a new partner and probably the levels of hormones are going up with somebody who's new versus someone you've been married to for a long time.
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: definitely.
Leah: Okay. Very
From Military Tech to Sexual Wellness Applications
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Leah: interesting.
Willow: I wanna kind of roll, roll back to, um, you know, you used to work in defense creating like military defense devices. So you're, you're an engineer at heart, so you've, how, [00:29:00] how, like what were you creating? Were you creating guns? Were you creating explosives? What were you
Soum: N nothing, nothing complicated.
Willow: that Yeah,
Soum: No, this is, this is so long back. Drones didn't even exist. Uh, I'm talking about 20, 21 years ago. So you know what we made. It's called Iris on the Move. So it's a gate which is used in airports, literally a walkthrough gate.
Willow: Okay.
Leah: Like a robot type of device,
Leah: like, uh
Willow: at an airport?
Leah: oh,
Leah: okay. Got it.
Soum: TSA,
Leah: Yes.
Soum: and then you have to walk through this frame,
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: So we built a version of that called Iris on the move,
Willow: Okay.
Soum: had a camera,
Willow: To
Soum: which as you walked through, would capture, match and by the time you had finished walking. It would know who you are and
Leah: Oh, so like facial recognition type of thing.
Soum: like face exactly like that, but with eyeballs. [00:30:00] Exactly.
Willow: eyeballs. Okay,
Leah: kidding.
Willow: how, how did that technology translate into a vulva pain and ED issues?
Soum: Well, the, you, you know what, the underlying tech, the electronics, all of that is basically the same, right? So we custom designed everything back then, you know, to fit in the gate. And, uh, the only difference is now we have more processing power than 21 years ago. Uh, so we can do a lot more stuff in a tiny chip, um,
Willow: Okay,
Soum: which we couldn't do.
Soum: So.
Willow: in these like tiny little
Soum: chips. Exactly. So the underlying electronics, it's not complicated, right? At least. At least not not.
Willow: like an engineer geek? Just
Soum: Yes,
Willow: together and take things apart?
Soum: yes. It still still am, which is why we can't really leave this field because no matter how old we get, we want to be in the lab building stuff.
Willow: be
Soum: Yeah.
Leah: Uh.
Leah: I wanna know a little bit about the [00:31:00] technology you're using for orgasm for women. Now we know, we've talked about ejaculation for men with the prostate, um, product. What, what are you doing? What's out there that's working, having to do with women reaching climaxes?
Soum: That's a really good point because we have a study on an orgasm. Um,
Willow: Meaning
Soum: uh.
Willow: able to have an orgasm
Soum: And we also have a study on arousal disorder, which is, um, you know, often an issue which leads to, um, not being able to orgasm. Um, and a separate paper on vaginal dryness. Um, all of these things are interconnected, the fundamental point to everything is vibratory stimulation between 50 and a hundred hertz is what is clinically proven for decades, and this is not our research. Uh, this there is really well established mammoth amount of uh, [00:32:00] research on vibration. Um, starting from 1890s,
Leah: Right.
Soum: with hysteria,
Leah: Right.
Leah: Um.
Soum: interesting point about vibration is it was invented by a doctor for sexual dysfunction.
Soum: It was medical for at least the first 50 years. It only became a pleasure device in the seventies. Now obviously most people know it as a pleasure, uh, device, you know, when it comes t
Medical Vibration Therapy: 130-Year Clinical History
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Soum: o vibrators. But the majority of, majority of the history of vibration and its application has been medical. So the professor at King's College, who's our Chief Medical Officer, has been researching on vibration for 30 years long before we started. Um, which is why, um, the doctor at NHS connected me with him saying, if you do this company, you must have this professor because has been working on vibration for a long time on various things like, you know, passing urine. [00:33:00] How, how can a vibration on the bladder help someone pee who cannot pee? Uh, like research like this, which, you know, goes back three decades. So the, um, work is all about vibration. Going back to orgasms, all we do is make it very precise. The frequency and the deliverability. Um, point. And, and that's really all we do fundamentally. It's not complicated. Make sure that the vibration frequency is the right, um, number, uh, based on what has worked before and make it really malleable and easy for the patient, the user, to get to the point where they need it.
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Soum: Yep. Um, so, uh, the anorgasmia, um, topic is really interesting. What we found is often, um, women who couldn't orgasm could get very close, then something
Leah: But short circuit. Yeah.
Soum: So what happened is, uh, with [00:34:00] the vibration being at the right point, wherever that right point is for them, um, this was an internal, uh, intravaginal, uh, study in the sense that it only vibrate inside. And they could
Leah: Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. Sorry. I have to interrupt you. It only vibrated inside the vagina, so there was no vibration to the clitoris?
Soum: Um, with the device. You can in theory have both sides,
Leah: Uhhuh.
Soum: vibrating. But, uh, the way the study was set up is we left it to the patient to decide what is the right place for them.
Leah: Okay.
Soum: because for some users they need both. Some users, they don't like both. Um, but everyone had internal stimulation whether or not they had external and they didn't use anything else. Um, so just one device. And what the conclusion was that the reason they were able to orgasm was they could get over that barrier by [00:35:00] delivering high power vibration on the point that is really arousing for them, and it kept going to overcome their mental barriers.
Willow: What do you mean? It kept going
Soum: as in the vibration,
Leah: The vibration.
Soum: the point that they felt was the right point for them, which is why we didn't specify.
Willow: okay.
Leah: Which is why they didn't short circuit. Yeah. That moment where they tend to go, oh my God, it goes away. That vibration continues at a certain level so that they can cross that hurdle.
Soum: it. Yeah.
Leah: Interesting.
Soum: needed, they decided how much, there's a one to 16 level, so they, they decided how much power is the right amount
Willow: Mm-hmm.
Soum: then they could deliver that continuously, um, to the point that they could overcome the barriers.
Willow: So this, this I'm imagining mostly is like on the g spot inside internally, but
Soum: Yes, exactly. Exactly.
Willow: it, are you having, are women also using this device or one of your devices to kind of [00:36:00] open and stimulate cervix for cervical orgasms?
Soum: Uh, we haven't, uh, I I don't think we've done any studies on that, um, whether any of the studies did have patients using it that way we haven't captured.
Leah: You haven't tracked.
Soum: be a really good study to do.
Willow: Yes, that would
Soum: Yeah.
Leah: that'd be fascinating. Mm-hmm.
Willow: And
Soum: Yeah. And the device is long enough to do it. The crescendo device is long enough to do it.
Willow: one could do it. Okay,
Leah: Okay, so, um,
Soum: looking for new studies all the time.
Leah: yeah, I,
Leah: yes, if you needed volunteers, we'll dedicate our bodies to science. Um,
Soum: any time we have at least 10 studies running.
Leah: yeah. Wow. That's great. Well, friends, this is the perfect moment if you haven't done it already, to like and subscribe. And please comment on what you've been hearing so far. Are you as riveted as we are?
Leah: Please, uh, bring your questions to the table.
Willow: Yeah. And next Dr. Rakshit is going to reveal the [00:37:00] shocking medical condition that's been affecting one in three women. That's inspired one of his most groundbreaking devices.
Soum: Well, it's something we talk about all the time, but not many people realize how many women i
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Soum: t affects. Uh, so it's period pain. One in three women of menstruating age, um, have period pain so severe
Leah: So severe.
Soum: work.
Leah: Or school. God, I had friends in high school who like every month they have to spend two days at home.
Willow: I was that girl.
Leah: Really? Ugh.
Leah: The dreaded pain.
Willow: oh, it was horrible. Hot
Soum: And, and to think it's one in three, but very few people, like, apart from, you know, people working in sexual health, I don't think anyone realizes that stat.
Soum: every, every everyone knows
Leah: No.
Soum: there. Everyone is aware that period pain is a thing. But I would say 99% people think it's just another pain and you can, you know, do whatever you do.
Leah: Right.
Soum: But I [00:38:00] don't think anyone outside.
Willow: pain. Yeah.
Soum: I don't think anyone outside sexual health knows that one in three women cannot do anything
Leah: Like severe. I didn't,
Willow: do anything, like have
Soum: yeah,
Willow: sit in pain
Soum: yeah,
Willow: Yeah.
Soum: yeah. Every month. Yeah.
Willow: month and with my, you know, this has been a huge part of my work is, um, I've been in women's health and wellness for so long and it's been, uh, you know, using herbs and using using acupuncture, all of that stuff can make a huge, huge difference in moving that
Willow: stagnant blood out of the womb. But they also have have to have enough blood to like push through that stagnant blood. So if there's a blood deficiency, then we need to also tonify their blood. Um, and then what I found for myself and for many of my students as well, is like we would get to a certain level of pain release relief. Um, but then there would still be a little bit of this like [00:39:00] underlying. And then when I started using the Taoist sexual practices, specifically ovarian breathing to pump energy through the ovaries, through the fallopian tubes, through the womb, um, that pretty much wiped everything out. So I'm so excited to learn about what you, um,
Leah: very.
Willow: as a non womb owner.
Willow: I mean, I think that's miraculous in and of itself.
Soum: Yeah, but you've, you've literally explained exactly what a device does
Leah: No way.
Soum: it does is blood flow and that'
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Soum: s it. Um, so, so what we have designed is this, um, you know, think of it as like a. Um, rectangular thing. Yeah. it's very slim, um, obviously made of medical silicone with vibration motors inside, it's, um, so
Leah: What's it called?
Soum: uh, it's called Soto.
Soum: Uh, it's not, uh, released yet. It's still
Leah: Hmm. Okay.
Soum: all our products take at least five years. Um, and this, this one luckily is in the fifth year and it's, um, we've already finished the medical [00:40:00] trials.
Willow: Ladies.
Soum: should,
Leah: Okay.
Soum: months.
Willow: We're
Leah: Yeah.
Soum: so, so, um, uh, what it does is, uh, it sticks to your lower abdomen.
Soum: So basically just below the belly button. It's a sticky thing. Yeah. Uh, very easy to, um, attach, uh, take out. Um, and it's very slim, so you just put it on, wear your clothes, you know, get on with your day, it's very quiet
Leah: Hmm,
Soum: 12 hour runtime, and that was really important.
Willow: on, turn it on, and
Leah: and it vibrates.
Soum: Exactly
Willow: than Aleve.
Soum: it vibrates.
Soum: Uh, but again, you know, the right frequency is the right amount, but for a very long time. So one of the biggest challenges we faced with building this is often pain lasts quite long
Leah: Right. You have to charge it.
Soum: Exactly. And that's obviously not possible, you know, when you're out. Um, and most of our
Leah: Yay.
Soum: are designed to last 2 hours maximum
Leah: Sure.
Soum: it for more than that. Um, [00:41:00] whereas this one, two hours was not going to be enough,
Soum: so we had to redesign it so that
Soum: everything to make it last 12 hours. Um,
Leah: Well.
Soum: um, but uh, so we ran a study, um, and there was, so while it was, uh, vibrating, in all the cases, they either didn't feel the pain or was very, very minimal.
Willow: Mm.
Soum: So, so basically it's continuously getting blood flowing. Um, that fundamentally that's all it's doing. So it's not complicated. Um, but it was more about usability of the device that you can, know, go out, do your things. Um,
Willow: of it.
Soum: yes.
Leah: I'm curious.
Willow: now in this study, 'cause I always wanna know more details about what kind of blood is coming out. You know, are you now seeing more clots
Willow: being passed,
Willow: Is it dark?
Soum: Oh, that, that we don't know yet because this is, um, so we do two types of studies. One is a study while a product is still being [00:42:00] created, um, which is not a formal study in the sense that we, we don't publish these. It's just purely to inform product research. Then once the product is fully out, you know, regulated, et cetera, then we would do a proper medical trial. To get clinical evidence and publish papers. So it's two separate things. And this, this was, this was more like studies to understand what is working, what is not working,
Willow: Mm-hmm.
Soum: to then decide what the final product should be. Um, to, which is why all of our development takes forever. Um, like, you know, we are working on
Willow: a pretrial, then
Soum: Exactly,
Willow: and have a post trial to
Soum: exactly.
Willow: that you wanna put out to the public.
Soum: And often the pretrial would tell us that the product that we made isn't good enough and we'd redo the whole thing, which is why it's so useful. And that's happened many. Yeah. It's happened to many, many products, uh, where we, we build something.
Willow: so exceptional.
Soum: Well, but I think the most important thing is [00:43:00] healthcare, you can't really launch anything, which is not good enough.
Willow: That's true.
Soum: Like, the clinicians trust that you would, you know, make sure you're doing, um, all the right things, both safety and efficacy. And so if we are in a rush to launch something, it would definitely not be good enough.
Willow: Right,
Soum: Um, like there's a product we are working on, which we are really excited about, but it's at least a year away. Uh, it's a mastitis bra, so it's, um.
Willow: that's gonna be amazing for women.
Soum: Um, and you know the
Leah: what's that? A mastitis bra
Willow: mastitis, um, often when
Leah: from nursing. Okay.
Willow: where one of the like
Leah: nipple ducks. The glands are inflamed and
Willow: it hurts like a
Leah: Yeah,
Willow: It's so
Leah: I, yeah. Yeah.
Leah: Yes.
Soum: Currently, there are no solutions.
Willow: no
Leah: Right
Willow: Cabbage is the
Soum: Uh, warm towels generally is what people would
Leah: Uhhuh.
Soum: And so it's such a [00:44:00] massive thing, no solutions at all. Um,
Leah: Wow.
Soum: so excited about getting that out so we can,
Leah: When do you, when do you propose that we'll launch
Soum: at least a year away. Sadly,
Leah: what does it do?
Soum: uh, it's literally the same thing as the period paint belt, soft, sticky silicone, um, you know, like those sticky bras.
Soum: Uh,
Leah: Yeah, that cover your nipples, so, yeah. Yeah.
Soum: that, you know, just like a bigger version of that, uh, again, with vibration. And then so that one, we are going to have vibration and heat, so that's why it's a lot more
Leah: Oh, interesting. Yeah.
Soum: heat and vibration.
Willow: feel good, just even if you don't have mastitis.
Leah: Yeah. Just for,
Soum: Yeah,
Leah: yeah.
Willow: on your breasts. Yes, please. I mean, I think over you. What I'm predicting what you're gonna find with that particular product is that it also supports breast health,
Soum: Mm-hmm.
Willow: know,
Soum: Yep.
Willow: um, like fi, fibrocystic breast tissue,
Soum: Yep.
Willow: opening up any kind of breast, um, issues.
Willow: However, if somebody has breast [00:45:00] cancer, probably they don't wanna use that device.
Soum: Yep. No, exactly. There'll be so many applications. And also we always tell people, you know, if you have any complications, check with your doctor before you use anything.
Leah: Now,
Soum: emails about, you know, questions and we always tell them to check with their clinician first.
Leah: how long does it take for, um, you to come up with an idea for a product, do all the testing and get it to the marketplace? What's the general length of time? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What, what?
Soum: the breast pain device, it has the most number of parts.
Willow: most
Soum: and it, it just means, it, it, so many things need to be perfect. Um, and, and the reason I use that word is because once in med tech, you can't really do [00:46:00] minimum viable product. It just, it's not, know, you can't get that through regulatory approval. Um, you know, also, you don't want to invest a lot of money on clinical trials when the product is not final. So you want to get to the point where the product is really, really good. And, and sometimes it does happen that we think the product's really, really good. We do trials, but it's not good enough. Then like, you know, crescendo became crescendo two to two because we just were not happy enough with that device even though it was final. So that does happen, but generally we try to make sure we have gathered as much feedback as possible before we launch anything. So. It is really simple. Maybe start to finish would be three years.
Leah: Okay.
Soum: if it's complicated it could be six, seven years.
Leah: Okay. And is there any products or any issues that we haven't mentioned that you think would be important to mention?
Soum: Um, so one of the things we're currently working [00:47:00] on is adding sensors. Um, and this is again, you know, quite far away in the sense that. It being an actual product in the market, we need different types
Prostate Health and Massage Therapy Benefits
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Soum: of studies. So a, a simple example would be enlarged prostate. So the Molto device obviously, you know, is inserted, can reach the prostate and, uh, vibrate. But what we are working on now is adding sensors inside the, so it'll look the same. It will work the same, but it will be able to capture at least temperature, pressure and moisture, data. And then what we would have to do is run a big study to match whether there is a correlation between those data points for
Soum: People with enlarged
Soum: prostate
Soum: compared to the,
Soum: people with a completely perfect prostate.
Soum: Yeah. And then if we can prove that, then we would know that there is a certain range
Soum: feeling a lot more,
Soum: uh.
Soum: three metrics need to [00:48:00] be where your prostate is fine and another range where you should go
Leah: Check your doctor.
Leah: I'm glad you brought this up because this was a question I had running through my mind earlier, what do you have to say about men who have gotten test results that their PSA scores are a little elevated, their prostate is swollen. And how do you feel about prostate massage as an intervention to try to lower those scores?
Leah: Lower the swelling, um, as a preventative to something escalating like prostate cancer?
Soum: That is literally what Malto is designed to do
Leah: Okay. Great.
Soum: massage, because that's literally what you would get if you went to a clinician with an enlarged prostate. Exactly. That's, that's all they do. Um, you know, like from a physical perspective, that is literally it inserting a finger and pressing it.
Soum: Prostate massage. So the, the challenge is that you cannot, as a patient, do it to yourself,
Willow: own.
Soum: which means that most prostate health gets worse because you simply do not have the time to go [00:49:00] see a, it is, the therapist, you know, uh, uh, once a week, which would be the, you know, ideal frequency. Uh, that's just not possible.
Leah: Right, but a partners can do this for their loved one, and so you would recommend to massage that prostate once a week. At what point is it dangerous or not helpful to continue to do the prostate massage as
Leah: maybe they already have cancer or whatnot.
Soum: I think the w with these things we always tell people, do what you feel comfortable. You know, obviously don't do it if there's too much pain. Um, but really there is no bad of pro massage there, there's nothing, you know, nothing, nothing wrong with prostate massage. So, um, but obviously, you know, if you're in excruciating pain, you don't want to do something whether with a device, with a partner, or you know, with a clinician that you want to go get it checked properly. Maybe there is, maybe it's reached a point where you need, um, [00:50:00] surgery. Um, and obviously that's something you obviously cannot solve. Um, but generally the recommendation from all urologists is regular prostate massage is just going to make your prostate health better.
Willow: Healthier.
Leah: Wonderful. Glad, glad to get that confirmed.
Willow: Everybody listen, I, I really wanna tell my parents generation loud and clear prostate massages good for you.
Leah: Yes.
Willow: I'm, I'm curious, um, how do you come up with the names for these devices and how
Willow: How
Willow: do you have total?
Soum: Uh, in the market. Six. So those are the ones which are, you know, been there.
Willow: Ok, so when Susan brought out that huge box, a lot of those are not on the market.
Soum: Uh, no, maybe, I think she has multiple of.
Willow: Oh,
Soum: has loads of, she has loads of her devices.
Willow: of
Soum: Yeah. She has lots of her devices, um, over the years.
Willow: Yeah. Okay.
Soum: So six, which are in the market, in the market means, you know, they have clinical studies, they obviously are FDA, they're all of FHSA, so that, that's why it takes a while for anything to be in the market. Um, and then [00:51:00] the period pain coming out next, uh, breast pain hopefully in a year. Um, the penal compression one, maybe this year it's just very slow process. Um, how,
Leah: Mm-hmm.
Soum: we name them? Really simple. We try to make them quite, uh, user friendly. So we think of Italian musical notes, um,
Willow: Oh, is
Soum: and,
Willow: it
Soum: and, and that that's all it is.
Soum: So ev every, um, e every, everything has a meaning. Like crescendo means, you know, reaching a peak. Um, Molto, hang on. I, I need to give you the right now. So Molto means a lot.
Willow: A
Soum: lot.
Leah: Cool.
Leah: I love that. Great question, Willow. I like that.
Soum: And, and you know why we thought of Malto as a lot is because the, uh, in theory the most, um, the strongest orgasm a man can have is through prostate.
Willow: prostate.
Leah: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yes. Is that because,
Leah: is is that because of the, the hypogastric nerve then gets combined with all the other nerves, like the vagus [00:52:00] and the pelvic and the pudendal.
Soum: It is and also the prostate is the semen gland.
Leah: Okay. And because it's a semen gland. Wow. How fun.
Soum: All right.
Leah: Um.
Willow: so I know we have some listeners out there who are in the field. They are dakini's, daka's, tantra
Leah: flied, pelvic floor specialists.
Willow: You know, um, who are really working with, with cli
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Willow: ents hands-on. And I know that you guys have affiliate links. Is there a way that they could become affiliates for these products?
Soum: Yes, absolutely. And, and we really want more and more people talking about this. Um, so on our website, there's a little link, uh, on the bottom in the footer for affiliate signup, but, um, I'll also share that so you can add it to the footnotes.
Leah: Yeah, I mean, I can see, you know, both gynecologists, urologists, all sorts of people recommending these products, uh, so that people can continue having interventions that will be easy to do at home. And you've been so generous to offer [00:53:00] our, our audience a coupon.
Soum: Yes, uh, SXR 20.
Leah: Great.
Soum: on top of our site sale, which will probably be 35% off soon.
Leah: Right.
Leah: uh, sale. Okay. So you're saying now, let me just get this straight. You're saying that they can use both the 20% off discount and the 35% discount? That's 55% off.
Willow: Yes, 55% off.
Leah: Um, you know, I'll be shopping. I hope the rest of you will too. And you guys, this isn't all, y'all are so generous.
Leah: We also have a free gift, um, which is the _*how to introduce more fun in the bedroom.*_ What is that?
Soum: I believe that one is written by Susan Bratton.
Leah: Oh, great. Okay.
Soum: It'll be incredibly good.
Leah: Yes, I, and we can verify that. So, uh, we'll have the link in the show notes for the coupon code, for the affiliate link and for the free gift, how to [00:54:00] introduce more fun in the bedroom. Thank you so much for being on the show. This was so enlightening, so fun. And, uh, we can't wait to get a bunch of questions in from our listeners.
Leah: We'll have you back on the show and we can take another deep dive.
Soum: Thank you so much for having me.
Willow: Such a pleasure. Thanks
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Willow: I just loved interviewing Saum. I mean, fascinating journey and you know, what a, what a brain, what a brain to be walking around in this world with.
Leah: Yeah, I love the, um, the perspective and the lens that this all started from. And I love the problems that they are committed to solving because these have been great mysteries, uh, for both men and women when it comes to sexual function and fulfillment. That has been elusive and it has just kind of felt tragic [00:55:00] until this conversation, which I am just feel so filled with hope.
Willow: Yeah, I definitely shed a lot of hope. I mean, the whole, um, contraption that he's coming out with right now for mastitis, that is huge. That is gonna be a major, major game changer for women who are breastfeeding. And then, you know, the, the painful period one, all of these um, devices and contraptions. I still think it is important to, like when you're, when you're looking at painful periods, to be looking at your diet, to be looking at your stress levels and to be looking at herbs as well as these, um, contraptions. But yeah, as far as like waking up the prostate gland and, you know, stimulating the GSpot o or the, the cervix in new ways with these devices that he's created, I would say do not pass
Willow: go.
Leah: Well, I'm really glad that you brought up the holistic piece because it's important that people know that it's not just, you know, one [00:56:00] medication or one device or one toy that is going to resolve all the suffering. You need to look at it from a holistic point of view. And look at many angles to tackle it from.
Leah: And by doing so, I think you just increase your overall wellbeing, your overall health, and you know, all that stuff. So it's not only beneficial for the issue at hand, but typically ends up benefiting all these other sectors in your life when you're taking a look at your diet and these other interventions.
Willow: Absolutely gonna create so much more longevity in so many ways. And, you know, I just, um, this morning started rereading existential kink. I think that's a
Leah: Oh, really?
Willow: holistic way of like,
Leah: Mm
Willow: the suffering that you're going through. Like what, what unconscious part of yourself loves the painful periods or loves having, um. Uh, you know, I was just talking to a potential client yesterday, I think it was, who was having, um, painful orgasms. And it is
Leah: mm
Willow: [00:57:00] have clients
Leah: I
Willow: orgasms,
Leah: I hear about that. Yes. That would've been a good question for him.
Willow: But I've had a lot of success in helping them have non-painful orgasms and
Leah: by how what? What have you done? That's
Willow: Through Taoist practices and um,
Leah: any tips you can share with the audience?
Willow: hands-on, well, it depends on, you know, the person's body and like what, what nerves and pelvic floor tissues are impinged and what, you Hmm.
Willow: muscle groups and ligaments and stuff might be tied up.
Willow: So it's a sort of a combination between hands-on and then, um, you know, running energy in different ways and also, um, doing some out emotional release to find that place inside to get really deeper into the sensation. 'Cause when we experience pain, we wanna get away from it, you know? So the whole premise of existential kink 'cause to like delight in the suffering and delight in the pain.
Willow: And so this is [00:58:00] totally off topic from what Suam talking
Leah: Well, but I think it's an, an interesting thing to bring up that is relatable to the whole interview is this piece around painful orgasms. And so if you are out there and you are experiencing this, give Dr. Willow, uh, get on her discovery call calendar because, um, she may have some answers for you. And it sounds like you're really tackling it from three places.
Leah: Uh, the physiological, um, you know places that are stuck with tension, and then the energetic movement of that tension, and then the psychological, uh, uh, inquiry that helps someone relieve where they're storing, let's say an inflection point, a trauma, a crisis, a piece of stress in the tissue itself.
Willow: Absolutely. Yeah. And it was so, you know, it was so cool hearing some talk about his devices. 'Cause I was like, oh, this is gonna be another piece to incorporate, to teach people how to use. Don't just be going up and looking for [00:59:00] the pleasure spots and the orgasm spots. Like go in and look for the places that feel uncomfortable, that feel painful, and then start to talk to the tissue and unravel it from that, from that angle.
Willow: And he did speak to that. He is like, find that, find that place that is, um, pleasurable, and then move a little bit beyond it into that tissue that's not pleasurable. Really is amazing. What happens when we open the pelvic floor tissue? It's like
Leah: Mm-hmm.
Willow: the brain up, opens the whole mind up.
Leah: Yeah, as you know, one of the tips we give people is, you know, build a highway from a pleasure zone to a painful zone. So with your fingers, you dip into pleasure, you massage, you feel the pleasure, then you take a deep breath, and then you move your fingers as if you could drag that pleasure to another spot that may have tension or pain.
Leah: It's like you're running a highway between the two so that the pleasure can start to alleviate energetically that place that you've got extra tension or you know, stuck blocks. Now one of the [01:00:00] things I really loved about the interview was talking about people who have a hard time reaching climax men in particular.
Leah: And this keeping pressure and massage to the prostate gland to help coax that ejaculation into fruition. And you know, when I typically work with people who have just, it's like they just get stuck on the arousal scale. They can't get to 10, if that were ejaculation, they get stuck at around four or five and, um
Leah: you know the two things that I've done to address that is shifting and reteaching how to feel pleasure with different strokes and different types of friction. Because typically people are only able to ejaculate because they use the same type of pressure, the same type of friction. Usually their partner's body can't compete with the friction that gets them off because they're typically using their hand.
Leah: It's usually not hard enough or fast enough and they get kind of stuck. And so it's a [01:01:00] challenge to have the discipline to actually rewire your system to enjoy a feather like touch, to enjoy a much slower pace. And it's worth the practice and, and the discovery to train yourself to like those things. And then that might lead you to an ejaculation.
Leah: Um, and so of course, G-Spot massage, prostate massages can be in combination of all those things, but really feeling more confident about bridging the two of them. That that prostate gland is really the ejaculation gland. Um, I loved the kind of phrasing it, put it whole, it brought the box bigger in my mind.
Willow: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it was such a great interview. I'm so excited for more of his, um, for more of his, you know, amazing devices to come online.
Leah: Well, I'm so,
Willow: check out the discount code.
Leah: yeah, but you know what? I went to his website and I think it says 35% off the product line right [01:02:00] now. So yeah, check out the website. The link is in the show notes. Yeah, I mean, that's incredible.
Willow: in me. That's like,
Leah: That's like getting a hundred dollars off the products, 55% because they're not inexpensive. I mean, a lot of these types of, uh, sex toys and medical grade toys that we've interfaced with are in the 200 and beyond range.
Leah: I don't think kids are that expensive, but I did see like $235, $195, that kind of thing. So that's a big deal.
Willow: the deal.
Leah: We have received other sex toys that are bendable. You know, I think one of the things that has made his so successful is that they're bendable so they can be like fingers. So you can aim at the prostate gland and you can aim at the, um female G-spot, and you can kind of adjust the right angle because it's very malleable.
Leah: And I'm curious, have you played with [01:03:00] any of those? I always get a little stuck with like, okay, getting it the right shape and then hooking that into the body. Like can you bend it when you're, when it's already in your body?
Willow: Yeah, well it's, it's not an actual finger, so, um, I have not played with them inside of my own body. I've only played with them in Susan Bratton's living room, so with a bunch of other experts. So we were having a great time playing & bending. But yeah, we, we didn't get to, to go inside, but soon we will.
Willow: 'cause he is sending us some samples.
Leah: Yeah.
Willow: to report back to y'all once we've had some playtime.
Leah: And since Susan Bratton has come up a couple times in the episode, I will link her episode with us, which was very entertaining. She's so vivacious and fun. Um, you'll learn a lot from her. Uh, check it out.
Willow: Yeah.
Leah: Okay, love, love, love.
Announcer: Thanks for tuning in. This episode was hosted by Tantric Sex Master Coach and positive psychology facilitator, Leah Piper, as well as [01:04:00] by Chinese and Functional Medicine doctor and Taoist Techology teacher, Dr. Willow Brown. Don't forget your comments, likes subscribes, and suggestions matter. Let's realize this new world together.
