Vulva Oracle Readings with Sierra Sullivan and Julie Avena
[00:00:00] Thank you for your review!
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Willow: Wow, what a sweet comment.
[00:00:35] The Portal Priestesses - Julie and Sierra Introduction
Willow: We are having a most interesting and very reimaginative of your mind around sexuality interview with Julia Avena and Sierra Sullivan, the co-founders of the Portal Priestess Mystery School.
So Sierra is an empowerment mentor, a ritualist, a Pussy Oracle. Hello. Have you ever heard of a Pussy Oracle before? A ceremony efficient and sacred journey guide for women and couples who seek more connection and alignment in life, love and relationships. So, so fantastic.
And then Julia Avena, a dear friend of Leah's for like 20 years, is a meditation teacher, intimacy coach and medicine woman who is devoted to making your spiritual practice juicier, and inspires couples to create love making rituals in the bedroom.
Leah: Boy, these girls are doing something fun. I know this is going to be new to our audience because it was new to me.
Willow: Yeah, new to me.
Leah: Pussy Oracle, I mean, can you just imagine someone using divination like this? You know, many of you have probably played with a tarot deck and...
Willow: ...or you've had an astrology reading or...
Leah: Right.
Maybe you've seen a psychic. I mean, just imagine spreading your legs, ladies, and someone being able to read your life through your vulva.
Willow: Yeah, they see all kinds of imagery and archetypes and codes coming through the visual of your vulva. And the way that they do it is pretty ingenious as well. It's kept, I mean, as private as it can when you're looking at someone's vulva. And really allows you as the one who's in the... what do they call it? The vulva queen? What is it called?
Leah: Oh, yes. The one...
Willow: The Vulva of honor... the Pussy of
Honor!
Leah: Yes, the Pussy of Honor.
Willow: If you're the pussy of honor, you get to really relax and receive the reading. Like you don't have to worry about having your legs spread and all that kind of stuff, because it's done through photography. So very, very amazing what these women are up.
Leah: Yeah, so sit back, tune in, and fall in love with Julie and Sierra.
Announcer: Welcome to the Sex Reimagined podcast, where sex is shame free and pleasure forward. Let's get into the show.
[00:02:58] Welcome Julie & Sierra!!
Leah: Yay. Welcome Julie and Sierra to the Sex Reimagined Podcast.
Willow: Yeah, It's such an honor to have you both here. We're so excited. I know that the work that you both do in the world is very unique and founded and grounded off some really powerful, different modalities and practices in the sacred sexuality healing space.
So I'm so excited to hear from both of you and what you're up to these days.
Yeah, I had a lot of fun. I got to spend some time with, Julie and Sierra in one of their courses. But I think y'all hold every month, right?
Sierra: Yeah.
Leah: So you'll have to tell us the exact name of it, but I've been referring to it as the Pussy Oracle, the Pussy Oracle experience.
Which I think is pure genius, by the way.
Willow: The wisdom of the pussy, coming through.
Leah: Yeah, what would you tell us what it's technically called for our audience, in case they want to look it up?
Sierra: I'll jump in. Yeah. So it's, the, the experience you had was the Temple of the Sacred Portal and then that is an offering of the Portal Priestess Mystery School.
Willow: So beautiful.
So
Leah: it was really fun. I'll just share a little bit. I had a conversation with Julie, and Julie and I have known each other, she was counting up to almost 19 years. And that is just so fun when you've known someone for almost two decades, is that not just the funnest trip ever? So we go way back, into our Oregon years, and now we're both living in California.
We were cute little hippies together.
Willow: Pedalling pot cookies around festivals, is that what you guys were up to?
Leah: Pedalling all sorts of herbaceous concoctions.
Julie: We were actually Tantric educators together, so we were peddling pleasure.
Leah: Yes, as Charles would say we were little Tantra puppies together. Yeah. Until we turned into Tantra Queens.
And now, it's been really fun to hear what she's been up to with Sierra. And we'll get into all of that cause there's so many pieces.
[00:05:02] Leah explains how the Temple for the Sacred Portal group call is setup
Dr. Willow: It really is a perspective shift when you're getting into a new relationship with what boundaries are. And I'm always every time I explain yin and yang, I like to use the example of a glass of water.
So the yang is the container. It's the boundary. It is the thing that holds...
Leah: the form that holds...
Dr. Willow: that holds the yin, the water, right. And so if a glass is tall, if it's a 16-ounce glass, boy, that yin can rise so much higher into that form. And if it's a shorter glass, it only gets to go so high, so the level of the boundaries. And another great analogy is the river.
Leah: Yeah, the banks of the river.
Dr. Willow: Yeah, the banks of the river make the river a river. Because without those banks it would be a floodplain. It wouldn't have direction; it wouldn't know where it's going. It wouldn't have guidance toward the big ocean that it gets to flow into.
Leah: And what I love about the river analogy is that the river's also shaping the banks.
You know, it's movable. it takes some of the earth with it on its way to the ocean. And so I feel like there's a really interesting, connection between, being the banks of the river and holding the form, but also being fluid enough that you can go with the current.
Dr. Willow: And I think that's one of the fun things about playing with and exploring different boundaries, expanding what you think your rules should be. And starting to get in touch with what's a boundary rather than a rule in this particular situation and scenario with this lover, or this husband, or this wife, or this person that I've been with for a long, long time.
The boundaries can get stagnant. So keeping them alive, keeping them always current to what's evolving inside of you.
[00:05:56] Brian Reeve's Work - Requests vs. Requirements
Leah: But when she was telling me that she had been trained as a Pussy Oracle, reading pussies, I was like, Oh my God, I don't know anyone who's doing that.
And I believe Sierra, you are like the mastermind behind the Great Pussy Oracle. And I couldn't wait to like see this in action . And so through this course, they do it so tastefully and so reverently. I really want to highlight that because I think that's such an important quality for women to feel like they can come to an experience like this, and have it feel really reverent and respectful and worshipful and honoring.
And in one of the ways that you do that is you create a beautiful container, you ask people to stay on for the whole call, that they not be distracted, that they stay on screen, because it is a zoom call. It's not recorded, so everyone's privacy is really protected, and so there's not a replay per se. But for the woman whose pussy is being, whose vulva is going to be read, they provide a couple of pictures, and then you, it sounds like you pick one. And then you read it. And so then the woman whose vulva is being honored by being read, she gets to be completely, fully there. She's not distracted by like having her vulva on camera. She can be relaxed. She can take in the information, she can let it wash over her. She can kind of experience the reading.
And the other thing I really loved is that you had one of the women who was, I think just getting certified, or had been certified but hadn't done a lot of on camera reading. So it was really cool to watch her do the first parts of the reading. And then both Sierra and Julie, gave their magic and gave their gems in terms of what they saw.
And you know, I've been around the block. I have been around some vulvas.
Willow: She has seen it all.
Leah: I've had the privilege...
Willow: but this is something different...
Leah: ...to do some youi witnessing. And so it was just a delight to get a new insight on how to be with and witness the magic of the vulva. So A., I just want to thank you for that experience. Thank you for allowing me to be a guest. And I really walked away with some preciousness. So II just want to right off the bat, like plug this, because I thought it was really special.
And I think in a world where very few women have a relationship to their vulvas, it's like, I think women tend to have two experiences when it comes to their genitals.
You know, it's all these things that are just, you know, they're clinical and then we have sexual. You know, so we're either sexualized or we have a clinical experience. And very rarely do we have a magical experience. Very rarely do we get a therapeutic experience. And so I think, I think you two are weaving a number of these things together.
And I want all women to be able to have a relationship to their vulva that's meaningful to them. That is something that they see as precious and is a way to tap into wisdom. And I just know so many women who've barely touched themselves. And who've never actually looked. Yeah. You know, they might have glanced, but if anything, it's only just to shave some hair off.
Willow: Right.
Leah: It's not really to sit in appreciation of just how gorgeous vulvas are. And because of that, I feel like a lot of women aren't in touch with why their pussy is so special and why everyone seems to want to get in. It's like they have no idea why it's so magnetic. And why since people get out of one, they're just trying to get back into one again.
And I think once you really grok and you really see the power of the pussy, then you start to understand, oh, that's why everybody wants in here. That's why! And there's nothing like witnessing one's own vulva to have that come home and be really truly groked.
[00:09:03] The Origin Story of the Pussy Oracle
Leah: So tell us about Sierra how this came to you?
Willow: Yeah. How did this come through for you?
Sierra: Oh, wow. Well, first and foremost, I just love what you just shared that is so precious and special to hear that reflection, for sure. And it's so true and spot on. And as magical as this experience is as magical as how it got downloaded and shown to me.
And I'll do a quickie cliff notes version of it because it's a very big and powerful story. But, in 2016, I was fed up with the brands that I was leading at the time. I felt out of alignment from what I was bringing. I was helping women with their pleasure, helping them with self-love, with their femininity, all sorts of magical things. But I did not have pussy on the radar at all as part of that.
And lo and behold, I blew up that brand. I was just like, I had to unplug. I had to reset. I had to come into more of a humble space of who do I "be" in the world versus trying to.... I like to say, be the light versus trying to be in the light.
It was a real come to Mary Magdalene moment, I guess.
Leah: I haven't heard of that yet. Instead of come to Jesus, come to Mary Magdalene honey.
Sierra: Exactly.
Leah: Come on.
Sierra: And so I spent four months just in quiet. Like, who am I? Who do I be? Who can I be without having to try to be somebody?
And in that, it was ripe for the picken, I had a video back in 2008 on YouTube, on female ejaculations that went viral. There's like a lot of history that sort of led up to that moment. But I was in denial and kept poo-pooing anything to do with genitalia whatsoever.
And after four months of being in my own internal journey, I feel like Spirit knocked me on the head, really.
It started by this event that I had. I had this red tent temple thing set up from a previous retreat that I had rented the house the next night to do a different retreat. And during that time there was a woman there that had been a little bit of an instigator on the journey.
She was joking around. We were having this other ceremony on this third night, two different events, and she's like, "Hey, I want to see your pussy. Let's all look at each other's pussies", very like cute and young, "let's just look at each other's pussies." And I was like, Oh geez. All right. What are we going to do here? I was like, all right, let's take a look.
Leah: Everyone drop your drawers. Just lift your skirt.
Sierra: Everyday average thing that happens. But she was in that realm, in that conversation. So I'm like, well, if we're going to do this, let's make it reverent and sacred. And we happen to have this altar and this red tent room set up. So I was like, well, let's pull up a thing.
Willow: Perfect, perfect place to look live in each other's pussies in the red tent.
Leah: Right on the alter.
Willow: Right. I love it.
Sierra: So we pull up the bed, I undress, I spread my legs, it's just her and another woman. And they were just like, "What? Does your pussy look like that? My pussy doesn't look like that."
I'm like, "well, what does your pussy look like?" And at that time, I hadn't really seen many up close and personal pussies myself. And so we were like, Huh... we need to do this, like, everybody needs a seat in this worship chair. And we're like, let's do it. And then of course something happened, somebody distracted us, somebody came into the room. It never happened where they got to be in the chair.
But all night it was like the seed had been planted.
Leah: Wow.
Sierra: It was like, no, this is important. Women need to know. If we're not alike, and we think we're alike, or we don't know that we don't look like each other, or... there's something here.
Throughout the night I kept connecting with women as I went. There was like 16 people, maybe eight women or so at this gathering, and I would come up to them and I'd be like, "Hey, we have a pussy worship station. Do you want to be in the station?" And they're like, "oh, I don't know about that." Thanks, but no thanks.
And I was like, I don't even know what I'm saying. I don't even know what I would do. Sure enough, the end of the night came close to the end of the night and I bumped into this woman. I barely knew her. She was a friend of a friend and I was like, Hey, by the way, pssst..., you know, I was still on it. And she's like, "I'd like that."
And I'm like, okay, well... let's get in there. You're my first yes! Like I've been trying all night. I didn't even know why. I was like, something overcame me.
And I got her in the worship seat and I started channeling this ritual, which is still very true to what we do today. And what really was the magic in it all, was that I'm in the middle of just witnessing her, just holding space, just describing what we see, which is very much what we do today, but now we know there's shapes and symbols and archetypes and all sorts of things.
And halfway through she was like, do you see my scar tissue? I was like, I don't know. I hadn't seen that many pussies up close. So I was like, I don't know. And so then she described
this whole trauma she had and how she had self mutilated. It was a very tragic and sad story and how she felt about her body as a result.
And in that moment, while I was being initiated, that was like the real initiatory spot. Because I realized, it's my duty, I'm being called to help this woman who said yes, to cross over from shame, deep shame, physical trauma and shame into a new story. And that's what happened.
I ended up seeing literally the scar tissue. I saw Mother Mary swaddling baby Jesus. There was a whole story through these archetypes that came out. Anyway...
Willow: Wow, you found the right pussy that night. She was the one.
Sierra: It was.
Willow: She was ready. It was initiatory for both of you, it sounds like.
Sierra: It very much was, very much.
And so I got her to the other side. We recreated the story.
I didn't know at the time that I was being shown that story from her vulva itself. I was just being guided. And then at the end, you know, we closed it up. It was really beautiful. It was powerful.
And then the next day she was like, I've been praying for this my whole life to be free of this shame.
And I had just two days earlier led a women's retreat where we didn't do anything around pussy. It was all the old stuff I'd been doing and it's still good stuff, but I was like, in that moment, she had transformed everything. Like it would take months or years sometimes to get women to where she got. I was like, okay, there's something to this. I think I need to follow this thread.
Willow: That's the power of the pussy. It's exponential healing when you're witnessing, when you're the oracle reading, which is totally new to me too. Or going inside and doing Pelvic Floor Sweep Release Work. I mean, you can get through like 10 years of therapy in an hour and a half session.
Sierra: Yeah.
[00:15:22] A Spiritual Reclamation Ritual for the Sisterhood
Julie: Well, and I would add the magic of this practice, which we now call the Art of Pussyology, the divination, the worshipping, the witnessing. But the key piece here is sisterhood. This is a temple experience, a sacred spiritual reclamation ritual for women to hold each other in a non-sexual space.
So like Leah and I, I know for us in our background and lineage, we say, pussy worship, it's actually a sexual ritual. And this is for, you know, regardless of where you are in your sexual orientation, this is for like woman to woman, sister to sister, to witness and see and hold each other.
And that is where this magic begins to happen, where the symbols and codes will pop up. And women will so often in these rituals point out the pieces and places of shame of they look different, and this and that. And every time we look closer, we actually see her codes, symbols, and messages inside her labia, inside her vulva, inside her genitalia, that actually tells a story about her power, her purpose, her path. We all go journey through this reclamation.
And so the biggest healing I find is around sisterhood in a safe space where it's completely non sexualized. So there's no, awkwardness or discomfort around, wait, okay, what do you mean worship? Are you going to touch me? Is this, you know, I'm going to have to perform.
Sierra: Yeah.
Julie: It's complete divine surrender for all of these other women in the temple to be able to witness and see. Even as a witness of this, we learn and heal so much.
Willow: Yeah, I was going to say, like whoever's sort of on the Puja temple, you know, is getting this deep healing and this deep witnessing. But everyone else is getting it as well, everyone else in the room. And it sounds like a very, very yin practice. I love this.
So tell us more about the codes that you're talking about and the archetypes and how you actually go into it, like, give us a little overview of this Pussyology.
Sierra: And beautiful share, Julie, thank you for that addition. Yeah.
[00:17:46] Gazing upon the Yoni with Loving Eyes
Sierra: You know, I remember reading in Naomi Wolf's book, Vagina, years after I had said yes to this journey where she talks about... you would know more in the Tantric lineages... there is this yoni gazing practice. And so this isn't new, to gaze upon a yoni in this way.
But what is fairly new, even though I did learn that there is a guy who wrote a book about it... I was like, oh, interesting, thanks for doing the work for me.
But there is the sense of when you look at something long enough, especially the portal of all life, this, like you said, we can't wait to get back there. There's so much draw, there's so much power, there's so much allure, there's so much, just everything at the, I like to call it the OG Stargate, because it's where humans came through. There's a lot of intel available.
Leah: OG Stargate, so charming.
Sierra: And so, when you look long enough with love. And as Julie mentioned, non-sexual, we're not trying to get anything from pussy. We're literally just giving her, it, her, whatever you want to call it, you know, the time of worship in a space to just hold with loving eyes.
And she's so happy about that. She pops!
[00:19:04] What are the "Codes and Archetypes" to be Found within the Yoni?
Sierra: She's like, oh, look at me. I've got all this information to share. And so most often we will see the Mother Mary archetype. That's the first one that popped out in my very first reading. And that continued to be a theme. And not all Women's vulvas or pussy havers have that. Sometimes we have wizards, sometimes we have other archetypes.
Aliens, I don't know. You never know what's going to show up. But all of them, all of the things that pop out and our shown, almost always have significance to the woman itself. Whether it's a tarot card that they always pull and they're like, oh my God, that's the tarot card. Like the hermit or the whatever. They're like, that's been my card!
Or anything, you know? Or it might be a mermaid or a shell. There's a lot of sea creatures as we can imagine.
Leah: Sure.
Sierra: There's, you know, man-o-wars, and stingrays, and jellyfish and, you know, whales and all sorts of amazing things that pop.
But just like the art of palmology, it's a little different because in palmology you're following, you know, you're following just the lines and then interpreting. This is literally giving us, it's like a full Oracle deck between our legs.
Willow: You can actually see the images. Now when you're doing this gazing, is it a little bit like, you know, in the pagan in tradition, there's something called scrying where you basically are looking into a looking glass or pool of water and you're letting your eyes go kind of hazy.
Like you're not looking directly at it, you're almost looking peripherally. Is it similar with the eyes, what you're doing?
Sierra: Julie, do you want to speak to that?
Julie: Sure. Well, I think maybe we can back up a little bit about the ritual that we create for a Portal Oracle Reading and what we do with women in our initiatory event, the Temple of the Sacred Portal where women are invited to this three hour ritual to witness a Pussyology reading. You know, with a pussy Oracle and our whole team of trained apprentices and oracles that have gone through our training. And we prep the woman for a good hour and a half before we would ever actually show a vulva of who we call the Pussy of Honor. That's the woman that has so generously and courageously offered herself to the temple for this reading.
[00:19:43] When Boundaries are Honored or Not Honored, what's their Impact?
Dr. Willow: This boundary means something to me because it allows me, my mind, and my psyche to drop deeper into my heart so I can open more fully with you.
Leah: Which I think, you know, the word that arises is impact. I am impacted when we hold it this way. This is the impact it has on me. I feel respected. I feel cared for. I feel seen.
Dr. Willow: Honored.
Leah: I feel honored. I feel precious. Or I feel disrespected. I feel unseen. I feel invisible. I feel forgotten. I feel scared. I feel uncertain. I feel doubtful. I feel like I'm bracing. It reminds me of ______.
It triggered when this happened, and this happened, and this happened. And that impact is really impactful to the degree that I don't want to keep putting me in that position. So if you need that, this is something I don't need in my life, which means I can't play with you here.
[00:21:16] Secrets of the Yoniverse - a video filled with Pussies found in Nature
Julie: And we prepare the women through this phenomenal video transmission called Secrets of the Yoniverse. It's a video that's available. We offer it through our mini course, Love Your Yoni Challenge, women can access it for free, or you can see it in the Temple of the Sacred Portal.
But it is a transmission where we show nature images that look like a woman's anatomy. That look like a vulva. Obviously you can think of orchards and flowers, but also in mountains and rocks and trees.
Willow: Trees, yeah.
Julie: And eventually through this transmission, it's an eight minute journey. It's slowly you begin to start seeing flashes of different women's vulvas mixed in with these nature images in this symbology.
Willow: Oh, that's cool.
Julie: And so it retrains your eye to look at the women's anatomy in a different way. And we connect a lot of it to nature. Along with that, we guide 'em deeply into getting comfortable with the woman on the call.
You know, we do a lot of conversation and, community building with the woman to build trust. And then we guide everyone deep into a meditation before we all open our eyes and gaze.
So Willow, yes, it's similar to that. But we also are really adding the safety and security of the sisterhood before we gaze. So that's the first part.
[00:22:43] What does a Trained Oracle Look for?
Julie: The other part is our trained oracles have learned to look. And it's not just looking, it's actually receiving a transmission.
So as Sierra said, we see a lot of symbols, right? Animal spirits, you know. I see Runes, that's one of my lineages I'm trained in. And so it's like, okay, well there's a dolphin, right? Oh this left labia, the left inner labia kind of looks like a dolphin jumping out of the water. And it's pointing it's little dolphin nose, right towards her clitoral hood.
And if you go back and zoom back and feel and listen, pussy is going to give a transmission. And this is what we truly train our woman in, is to how to receive that transmission, and then take dolphin medicine, which if you know Dolphin medicine, if you know Dolphin's energy, they're super intelligent. They're actually really horny. They're all about fun and play.
Willow: I think they're the original tantika's in the world, they have no barriers with their sex codes.
Julie: Yeah, they tend to hump you on the leg when you go swimming with them and all that.
Anyways, there'll be a transmission related to this dolphin energy that the Oracle will receive that's also connected to this woman's intention for the reading.
So say this woman is seeking a new romantic partner, and that was the intention she brought to the altar, to this temple, for this reading. You can interpret that dolphin, the animal spirit, a fun, playful dolphin pointing right to her clit.
It's like, well, you know, maybe there's somewhere where you need to have more play in your pleasure rituals and start doing your manifestation of really feeling the love of your beloved. And visualizing that love of your beloved as you bring more playful energy to a pleasure practice. That would include clitoral stimulation.
Like this is where I blend my work as a intimacy coach, right? And spiritual lineages into an oracle reading.
So it's this layer of depths between receiving the message from pussy, which she has so much to say once you actually listen, and looking, and staying grounded in nature through the art of pussyology.
[00:24:59] What kinds of Healings Transpire for the "Pussy of Honor?"
Willow: What kind of healing have you seen transpire, let's say, if somebody had sexual trauma as a child, or they went through a rape experience, or maybe they had a medical trauma, an abortion, or some kind of medical trauma, like what kind of healing have you seen transpire for those women?
Leah: Yeah, does anything come up in the Oracle reading that correlates with those things?
Sierra: Yeah. I would say almost always. You know, more than just the visual aspects of what we're doing, even the connection to nature. We have a series of questions that we ask the pussy of honor to answer along the way, and almost always there's a piece of their trauma that comes through or wants to be addressed or is looking to be healed. Because now's the time, they're like, oh my gosh, I'm having all these women with loving eyes holding me. Great. Let's put it in the cauldron. Let's put it in the temple and alter it like on the altar to be altered.
And so we've had everything from sexual shame and trauma healed because even women who've gone through previous pussy empowered programs, they haven't been able to access the power of their pussy because they're still dealing with that shame and trauma.
And then when they're in the space of the temple, the portal priestess temple, they're literally transmuting the story they have around their sexuality. They're starting to see that there's a whole new layer, a more true layer of who they are, how they're connected to nature, how magnificent that part of themselves is. So then they can begin to feel like, oh wow, I've just been giving my pussy over all this time. And really, wow. What a precious part of me to hold differently, to live differently, to make different decisions around, to like forgive, to heal around. How they've been holding it, how society's been holding it. So that happens often.
And we even had a woman that had a cyst on one of her inner labia or outer labia's rather, and it shrunk significantly from being on the worship spot, like significantly. And that, you know, that kind of thing happens often.
[00:27:09] Leah's Experience of Witnessing a Pussy Oracle Reading
Leah: Yeah. You know, one of the things I was really charmed by, I have to say, it was like the sweetest thing ever.
I don't know how many photos a woman submits who's going to be the pussy of honor, but whatever was submitted, the photo you chose for the class that I was in, you guys called it, the resting yoni face. And I just died, because I thought that was so cute as compared to the resting bitch face.
And by just taking a look at the resting yoni face, and it was such a privilege to have the woman whose vulva it was there, because I got to see her beautiful face. In addition to her resting yoni face. And so I had never made the correlation of just how much that vulva looks like the woman, you know? Like, I don't know why that connection never just like plugged in to the level it did during that class, but it took me by surprise.
Because here was this really, really soft, just creamy vulva. And the woman whose vulva was also like really soft, and creamy, and sweet, and just super yin. Like, you could see her essence. You could see the essence in her face matched the essence of her yoni. And to just sort of watch that come together.
And I don't mean to be crass by saying this, but like, you know how... like I have a dog and Willow's got a dog, and many people have pets, and oftentimes you'll see how the pet looks like the owner. Like they look like they are tribally belonged together, you know? And so it was so fun to just go, well, of course this vulva belongs to the tribe of this woman's face.
You know, like it all comes together. And I think there's the playfulness, right? There's the lightheartedness, there's thee innocence that is like right there for us to capture and be in grace with. And yeah...
[00:35:28] How do you know when a Boundary is Working or Not Working?
Leah: So how do you know when a boundary is working or not working?
That's a very good question. I think when you are getting what you want out of the situation, like when you're being met, when you're being seen, when you're feeling honored, when you're feeling, when your nervous system is like, okay, then you know your boundaries are being honored and you're being understood that, for me, understanding is so huge.
Dr. Willow: So if I am being understood, then I'm like, I feel like I can forgive mistakes and I can let go of things, boundaries when they're crossed. I can move through that quickly if the other person is like trying to understand further why that's important to me.
Leah: I think that's a really unexplored question that people should take to heart. How do you know it's working and how do you know it's not working? And so you can tell by, am I opening or am I closing? Is this opening me? Is it closing me? It kind of comes back to that simple scan your body, feel the felt sense. Also, is the outside world reflecting, opening or closing?
Dr. Willow: Yes.
Leah: Is my partner opening or closing? Are we getting closer? We getting further apart?
Dr. Willow: Right.
Leah: Am I trusting myself more? Am I trusting myself less? Am I doubting myself more? Am I doubting myself less? You know, that is a really important gauge is to go, how do I know it's working? How do I know it's not working? And when you can start to take inventory on that, it really helps you measure making choices and knowing when to make adjustments. And then asking for help.
[00:29:03] The Taoist Tradition of Reading the Face to Read the Sexual Energy of a person
Willow: That kind of peaks a question in me because in the Taoist tradition we do look to the face, we look at how deep the eyes are, how big the nose is, how wide it is, all these kind of things.
We read the facial structure and that actually gives us insight into the vagina. Like, is it a shorter canal? Is it a longer canal? Is there fuller lips or is there more narrow lips, you know. And innies or outies with the inner labia, you know, all these things you can kind of see on someone's face. And I have cross referenced it quite a lot in my work and it's pretty much true most, most 95% of the time.
So I'm just curious when we're reading the face, like if we see somebody with like eyes that are bulging out or more sunken back, you know, or fuller lips or whatever, it lets us know, like, that person has more Jing Chi. They have a more sexually forward way about them. Or somebody who has more sexual reserve, that person, you could see by their face, might need more warmup. You know, they might need more foreplay than somebody let's say with the fuller lips and the eyes coming out or something like that. So I'm just curious with the pussyology...
Leah: Now I want you to Willow, like oracle up my face.
Willow: Read your face?
Leah: Yeah. Like now I want you to like read my face.
Willow: And then look at your pussy.
Leah: Ok. Cause I have a pretty clear partnership of my sexual response.
Willow: Let's do it. Well next time we're together...
Leah: And all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Willow: But I'm just curious, in the pussyology, are you also seeing like, wow, okay, these are outtie inner labia versus inner labia and so, or these vestibular bulbs are coming in a certain direction.
I mean, does that tell you or show you anything about the person's sexual energy, libido levels, that kind of stuff?
Leah: Well, I understand you're not really, you're not really spending time on the sexual aspects of the woman, or are you? Or are you just with whatever comes through?
Willow: I understand you're not like getting them into a sexual mode, per se, during these sessions, but even just as a reading, I'm wondering if you've seen that kind good thing over your experience? Because you've had a lot of experience, you've seen a lot of different these archetypes and sort of styles. This sort of style is... I mean are there different kind of versions? Do you have like five different styles or 10? Do you see anything like that or is it all just super individual?
Sierra: Right now it's been super individual. You know, when I read that book that I mentioned that was written about yoni divination, that author does speak to exactly what you're talking about, if you have this type of a labia or this type of a hair pattern or whatnot, then it means X, Y, Z.
And, I love learning about this. This is amazing because there's probably some codes to connect here and that's the beauty of the Portal Priest's Mystery School. We're ever in the mystery of how this information and wisdom wants to be mapped, coded, expressed, learned, you know, spread amongst the sisterhood.
[00:31:57] Surrendering Control and Allowing the "Mystery" to lead the Way
Sierra: So I love, love, love hearing that. What I have found is that, It like, kind of like when you have a dream, you can look up symbols and dreams, but there's also stories that you are weaving in. And so we spend a lot of time in the uniqueness of every woman and every woman's flower. And I think our new Portal Oracle, you got to witness in the temple Leah, is starting to map some of these symbols.
She's excited about that. She's like, I keep seeing these symbols again. And so she's starting to take the mystery school in that direction and I love it. And I think that is a good direction and we'll see what comes of that.
But I have intentionally not done that, to let it show us, without getting pigeonholed and trying to map it so that everything means the same thing. It may turn out to be that.
But for now it really feels like whatever that symbol means to the woman, because she may feel really bad about the fact that she has a mismatched labia, right? One is nonexistent or one is longer than the other, or whatever. And the symbol that usually pops up through that has special meaning specifically to her story and her story of healing.
So to try to, again, put that into a puzzle piece for her. It may serve, it may not, but at this time it hasn't. It's been really like what's showing up? How does it work for the woman?
Willow: Sierra, that just so speaks to your reverence for this work. You know, you're just really staying present to having it come to you. Which is so the feminine way, instead of like, I'm going to decode this and figure this out and put it into a format and it's going to be this linear body of knowledge. And I also really want to just honor you for this other woman who's come in and has been trained and is now sorting to like, maybe see these different styles like pretty frequently in all the different women or whatever.
And that you're open to like, well, if that's the direction it goes, and we all kind of start to witness that and see that, then yeah, we're going to move in that direction. Like letting the mystery school, letting the mystery show itself to you rather than you...
Leah: making up the what it is.
Like you have to hold two things at once, right? You really want to make sure that the woman of honor, that this is her reading, and the meaning behind the symbols are from her, not necessarily dictated by the reader. And yet the reader still has their life experiences. They're the ones that are reading, right? So the symbols are jumping out at them, which is going to be informed by their own life experiences, by their own connection to that which is bigger that's showing them the symbols to begin with, right? So they're looking through things through their own lens that's going to be informed by who they are and what they love and what they've, what's captured them in their world, you know, that has led them to this place.
And then you have this woman before you who has her own life experience and her own meanings. And so like, you're kind of bringing these two worlds together. So for the reader, Julie, I imagine they're doing two things. Like one is they have to stay authentic. To what's coming in. Well, at the same time, not imposing their belief system on the woman of honor. So how do you play with that?
Julie: Yeah. Well, what we're experiencing and unfolding in the mystery school is that we are co-creating and weaving a story together. Each woman in the temple who has a transmission come through her, let it be, like you said, kind of filtered through her own life experience and her projections.
Julie: What we do is we hear every piece of the reading and the pussy of honor then can digest it all and she weaves her own story from there.
Leah: Gotcha.
Julie: And I feel like we're continually dancing on this edge, this has actually been one of the challenges that Sierra have faced, in the temple and building this mystery school of making sure we don't, put too much of it in a box.
It's like, we'll do a little research and be like, okay, what is dolphin medicine? I'm going to look it up, and look into the textbooks and the reading. But I'm not going to get stuck in the dogma of what dolphin medicine is and her labia. We really are being open to these transmissions of what's coming through, and it's so far beyond what Sierra originally could do.
She used to do these reading solo. And as she's expanded, the school brought me in as a partner, bringing these other women as we train in as our partners. More and more and more is being revealed, and the more that we surrender as businesswomen. Because we originally, Sierra and I both have pretty strong alpha sides as well, in running businesses and our partnerships and so forth.
Willow: We don't know anything about that.
Leah: So Will and I cannot relate. We have no idea what you're talking about.
Willow: Yeah, we don't have that, it's a problem.
Julie: As this mystery school's been evolving, like we've gotten, you know, pussy slapped when we would try and put this temple experience into, I call it bro marketing. And you have a background in marketing. Putting it into funnels and da, da, da and pushing. It doesn't work. Like our systems, our technology would literally break every time we try to do a traditional launch with this program. We are surrendering, like as businesswomen, we are continually surrendering, and we are listening to what the great portal of the sky is telling us in this ministry.
Because for us, it is a ministry. As much as it is held in, you know, it needs to have some sort of structure to be a business model. But what we're learning is just continually unfolding to the basics.
You know, how was the red tent built? How can we pass this on word of mouth, woman to woman? How can we get our voices out on platforms such as this so that we can talk about it?
And the woman who are listening here on this call, there'll be a woman that will get that, you know, vagina tingle of being like, I want to try this. And other women are going to be like, this ain't my thing. This sounds gross. And that's okay. But we are surrendering to that flow and learning as we go.
It is a complete experiment. And every single woman that weaves her story in is adding to this collective.
And so it's great healing for us as businesswomen as well, to just surrender and allow, and really stand behind the mystery of it, you know. And allow the great portal to guide us.
Leah: I really like your reply because I feel like, oh yeah, it doesn't have to be stressful. Because by trying to hold these things where you're not like imposing yourself, but you're trying to make space, but you're trying to bring it in, and you can't help it be yourself, and you want them to have their experience, and want them made their own meaning, like all that stuff can really stressful if you were like trying to hold it too hard.
It was actually one of the things that I witnessed, and I apologize for not remembering her name, who was leading, doing the first sort of Oracle reading but she has a connection with Egypt and I think she even does like Egyptian tours. And so it was really neat to have one of the first things she said was she could see the eye and I had never seen the eye in vulva before, but now it's like so obvious.
Willow: It's right there.
Leah: There's an eye there. And then of course she has her experience with the Eye-of-Ra. Now that I've been sitting with this Eye-of-Ra thing, I can go, wow. Like I could see how some yonis really embody the Eye-of-Ra in a particular way that would be different than other yonis. And so this thing starts to... it's like a seed that gets planted.
And I love that's her lens, you know, that's not my lens. But to be exposed to her lens, a seed got planted in me, and now I feel like I've got access to see more than I've ever seen. And I think as a sex educator, as a woman who brings women into these, initiations of vulva witnessing and g-spot mapping and all these practices and modalities of really helping women heal here.
So if you are in this space professionally, I really recommend you do this because it's going to expand your awareness to another tool, to another lens, I think is really neat.
And just to comment what Julie brought to the table that really affected me during this reading and her connection to mythology and was the sleeping giant.
And I think Julie, what you said was that it was unrealized potential. And it's so named for me, like the gravity of our unrealized potential, when it comes to work like this. It just, it hit me. Wow, there is so much unrealized potential.
And instead of getting depressed, would you get easily hop to when you think about like, oh, I wish every woman would connect to this. I realize, no, this isn't something to be depressed over. This is something to be very excited about.
Willow: Yeah. We're bringing it back.
Leah: We are creating a world and an environment where it's going to be easier and easier for the daughters and the granddaughters of this generation to move towards this type of inquiry. In a way that was never possible for my mom's generation, or certainly not my grandmother's generation.
Willow: Yeah. Or her mother's.
Leah: So, yeah.
Willow: And you know, there's this word priestess is being used quite a lot these days. And so I always love to ask like, what is your definition of priestessing? What does it mean to step into this portal and to step into this temple?
There's a lot of movement around the Mary Magdalene lineage, the hathor lineage, the Isis lineage, all these different goddesses and deites and I can hear some of that language in both of you.
And so I just would love to hear from your heart, like what does it mean to step into the temple and to embody this archetype of the priestess? It's not something that we are always doing, but we step into the archetype when we're doing this level of work.
Sierra: That's a great question. You know, that's the archetype we've chose for the name and portal priestess specifically.
But I often invite, maybe it's medicine woman, maybe it's sorceress, maybe it's healer. You know, there's so many different archetypes that women can choose to embody when they're in the temple. But for me, priestess really means the holder of the higher spiritual arts and connecting them deep into this three-dimensional earth and nature connection.
And so for us, portal priestess is also that bridge between the two worlds, literally that's often what priestess or priest is, or shaman. And yet, we're also looking at the portal, which is the bridge between two worlds. So it kind of has a double meaning in how we're holding, what we're discovering, & what occurs in the temple. But the actual tool of divination we're using is our yonis, which is our our pussies.
Willow: So beautiful. Thank you. Love that. I think that's so powerful.
[00:43:13] Free Gift from Sierra & Julie
Leah: So I know that you all have a free gift for our audience, and I would love for you to talk about that a little bit, Julie.
Julie: Sure. We have an introductory program for women to not only get access to this video transmission we mentioned, the Secrets of the Yoniverse, but it's also a self-paced course of some of our introductory portal priestess practices that a woman can do at home.
One of them is a nature yoni safari where women will look through the lens of the transmission of the Secrets of the Yoniverse and start looking for yonis in nature. Which is part of creating that lens, Dr. Willow, that you had mentioned for seeing. And it's also an opportunity for a women who may be a little shy and squeamish to jump onto a zoom call where we're looking at another woman's vulva. Right?
I do want to name even me as a sex educator, like it is confronting, it's very confronting to look at that image for a long period of time. So I just want to normalize and name that some trepidation is normal. Right? And even coming from someone who's comfortable, you know, with women's vulva's, it still can be a lot of energy.
Leah: Well, cause our conditioning says like, these are our privates. You know, it's like this very private area. So the idea of a exposing your privates, or being in front of someone else who's exposing their privates, it's charged, you know? And it's not even something we have to believe in intellectually. It's in our nervous system, that programming. So I think you're really right.
Julie: Yeah. And the final piece of the Love Your Yoni Mini-Course that we have is that we provide a self-guided photo taking ritual for a woman to do on her own, to get these different, what we call, Phases of Her Flower, to prepare her for a Portal Oracle reading.
And so she can have these photos for herself. Which I encourage using pictures of yourself through your pleasure practice. Yummy. Yes, please. But approach is is again, more in the sacred rights ritual for her to really be able to look closely, because it's very different than looking in a mirror.
You have a different view when you take a photo with a high quality camera and you can just use your smartphone. You can actually zoom in and look through that lens. And also it would prepare a woman for either a private reading with any of our Portal Oracles or Apprentices in our program, or get her ready if she decides she wants to try be a pussy of honor. So, I know you'll be dropping that link there in your show notes.
Leah: Yes. So it'll be in the show notes. But if you're watching it on YouTube, I'll make sure it's on the screen too. It's www.portalpriests.com/loveyouryoni.com. So if you're listening, jot that down as long as you're not driving, and when you have a chance, if you are driving, come check the show notes. We'll have it there available for you.
The other thing I'm really excited about, oh, and by the way, just in case you didn't catch what Julie was saying, that video around being able to see the nature and then it zooming and fading in and out of actual vulvas. Stunning. That's all a part of it. So you'll be able to see that eight minute transmission. And you guys have a portal Priestess Initiation coming up. Is that the precursor to be coming an apprentice? Tell me a little bit about the Portal Priestess Program.
[00:46:50] The Portal Priestess Program
Sierra: It's geared towards any woman that wants to either experience their own pussy reading in a longer format, because as we said in the Temples, it's one pussy of honor, one photo, a mini reading.
So for women to be able to get their own reading with the support of other portal priestesses, we found that the one-on-one readings, which are amazing in their own right. It's as Julie shared earlier, so much more potent when you've got the weaving of the sisterhood and the scene, and the codes, and the story.
So for those that want to just find out more and weave that story and have that honor, it's a great spot. And it's also the stepping stone to the ascension path If you would like to consider becoming an apprentice, or eventually becoming a full fledged Portal Oracle and bringing some of this work into things that anybody might be running. Like some of the women that have been through our program, like Anastara, who is the first officially ordained, besides Julie, Portal Oracle. That's the first one through the school itself. And she has got a tribe of women. She's been doing healing work of all sorts of modalities and many iterations. And so this is like a perfect addition for her to bring into her world. In fact, actually making it one of her main offerings now.
And another woman that's come through the program, who's right on the cusp of coming to Oracle. She does pelvic floor work and things like that. And it is a real supportive addition to her work. So it could be a business in and of itself for women. It could be an addition, just a nice skill set to have to add to, you know, already existing work that is supportive to this.
Or it could be for women who just want to have the experience, and be in sisterhood, and take their own body awareness, and self-love, and magic, and mystery, and intuition to the next level.
Leah: So is there any prerequisite that you have to do before you can enroll in the Portal Priestess Initiation?
Sierra: You know, we've been back and forth on this. We feel that it's probably best if you attend a temple so that you know what you're getting into. But if you're somebody that's like, you've heard about this, you're excited. Maybe you've seen the video, maybe you've gone through Love Your Yoni Maybe you've just come from another path of other lineages, or women, or programs or whatnot that have you excited about this, we would welcome you.
We just want to make sure that any woman that steps into this initiation is at a readiness level and that they've done a little bit of work on that part of themselves so that they know what they're doing and we're not spending the whole time holding them and traumas that come up. We hold the traumas. It's absolutely part of the initiation, but it's really for women that are a little further along on their path, or at least have been through something that has gotten them comfortable enough with this kind of conversation or experience.
Willow: Is it all online or are you doing in-person stuff as well? Are you doing both?
Julie: So our Initiation program is all online. And what I love about bringing our platform online is that one, obviously it has allowed us to reach women all around the world. But it has actually changed the nature of how Sierra originally was teaching these readings. You know, doing them live and in person, which you can't like zoom in when you're up in between, you know, a woman's space trying to look close.
So it's interesting how the pandemic and the lifestyle change that we have here now in the modern world has changed us to online, and it actually has brought us even closer. That being said, as we grow our mystery school we will be doing some live retreats. Because one of the pieces I bring as a sex educator, meditation teacher, is that I bring the somatic practices into this Oracle training, the initiation training.
So it's not just learning how to read, a deep dive in learning how to read, it's not just learning to be able to get your own reading, but we actually do embodiment practices to bring them back into that bridge between the sacred art and into more of the pleasure practices and the sexual lineages, that a woman can also take.
[00:50:56] Program Recap
Leah: Great. So just like in summary for the audience, what we've talked about. One is a free gift which is a self-guided Mini-Course with the Secrets of the Yoniverse Video, that eight minute video that we talked about. And, this is this Minicourse. You're going to get that at https://portalpriestess.com/reimagine-yoni.
Now The Temple was the class that I took, it's a three hour class. You guys do that every month?
Julie: Just about, give or take.
Just about, okay. And so you can find information about The Temple, which is the www.portalpriestess.com/reimagine-temple, and that's when you've got one woman of honor, and one photograph, and you are watching, and listening, and witnessing a reading.
Leah: And then for the Portal Priestess Initiation Program, that is where you get the longer form experience of a reading and you get to have your own reading. Correct? That's where you've got a number of people on your team who are going to be additive to the symbols and the codes as a woman experiences her own reading.
Yeah. Okay, great. So, you can find information for that, the initiation at www.Portalpriestess.com.
Sierra: Yeah.
Leah: So I'm sure that after hearing this, there are penis owning listeners who are very intrigued by this yoni oracle and would love to know more themselves, but this is basically a yoni owning only program.
Right? Just for clarification.
Sierra: Yeah.
Leah: Penis owners do not apply.
Sierra: Correct.
Leah: This one's not for you. This is just for the sisterhood.
[00:52:28] What is Eden World?
Leah: But you do have, Sierra, my understanding is that you also have a... is it a school? Is it a program, called Eden World? Is that correct? And that's for couples?
Sierra: Yeah. It's basically a peer-to-peer mastermind and community for visionary, evolutionary committed couples who are looking to deepen the love and explore edgier topics and really take their relationship to the next level.
Leah: Okay. So how would somebody get involved in that if they're in a relationship and I'm assuming it's for same sex couples and hetero couples.
Sierra: Yep.
Leah: Yeah.
Sierra: Yep. The whole gamut.
Leah: What about poly couples?
Sierra: Yeah. We have poly couples in the community but usually they're with their primary partners.
I look forward to the day where we actually have a throuple. The only criteria is that you are in a committed relationship of a year or more. So if you're in a threesome, a foursome, a fivesome, you're all committed for a year or more, and you want to do this work together, you're absolutely welcome.
It'll be exciting and interesting to see how it flows for sure. But it's for any committed couple year or more. Just because the kind of conversations we have in Eden, if you haven't gone through four seasons and you're not really committed, like we mean committed, it's going to stir the pot and it's going to bring stuff up.
And if you're willing to go through that with the person or persons that you've chosen to be with in Eden, great. And if you're kind of not sure it's going to hit some spots and it's maybe going to be a little bit...
Leah: maybe more disruptive thanthan you want to be.
Sierra: Yeah.
Leah: So Julia, I understand you're also part of this organization and that you host some of these events and facilitate some of them?
Julie: Yeah. Yeah. My husband and I are deeply involved in Eden World as well. And so around once a month we offer virtual play shops. So it's a great place where couples can come and have a wonderful date with your beloved and sit down, but it's not just like sitting and watching a workshop. It's very interactive and you get to interact with a curated community of rockstar couples.
So someone who's interested can actually come in as a guest to attend one of our virtual workshops, which is a great introduction to the community of Eden World.
And we have, people all over the world in our community, but then we also have pods. So like for me here in San Diego, we have, at least a dozen or so couples that are part of this community. So we also will meet regionally and have dinner parties and weekends together. And it's been amazing to support my own relationship, my own marriage, to be surrounded by these other couples that are living in integrity, that are having these conversations, that are here to really support my marriage to be the best it can be.
Leah: Cool.
Julie: I mean, I have the best friends I've ever could have imagined in the world right now because of this community.
Willow: Aww, I love this. It's so sweet.
Leah: I love that. It's a great idea. Yeah. And so is it like a membership thing or is it like one off classes? How do people participate? How does that work?
Sierra: So it is a membership we call Eden’s World the umbrella company and the membership's called the Sanctuary.
It's our place to practice the art of relationship. And so we invite people to commit to one year, and then they have all sorts of gatherings and offerings, including the monthly gatherings that Julie just mentioned, the playshops and whatnot. And then there we have sovereign containers. So you can explore being a king, being a queen, or if you don't identify with either of those, we have the Council of Infinite beings. So you can go beyond the gender norms and identities.
We have the Wisdom Jams, which we have these 12 principles that are our, really our moral compass of how we relate, not just in our relationships, but as a community, in humanity. And then we also practice four pillars, which is, it's first starts with self; sovereignty. Then we bring it to our unity; which is our coupleship, is the term we like to use. Then community and then humanity. And so those principles really serve deepening all aspects of how we can relate within those four pillars, definitely within the community, definitely within our relationships. And so we have calls that talk specifically about the principles and then we have all sorts of other fun things.
I mean, those are just a few of what happens in the membership. So you come to the one of the weekend events as a guest, you can meet the community as Julie mentioned. You can tap in and feel the kind of conversations and topics.
This year we're exploring a theme called Love Stories Revisited, because let's just face it, we all have a pretty crappy, you know, stories of relationship. There's not a lot of great models out there. We see relationships are failing left and right, based on old outdated paradigms. And so we're going to use this opportunity this year to explore all the ways that we can rewrite, revisit, and rewrite everything from our money stories, our bedroom stories, our intimacy stories, even like work, and our chores, and adulting stories. You know, you name it. We're looking under the hood and revisiting and rewriting together.
Leah: And so how would people find out more about Eden World?
Sierra: You can go to www.edenworld.org. That's our main website. And then from there, it'll take you over to an event, but you can also go to www.EdenWorld.org/guest and you can join. There's a bunch of dates to choose from. You can come and check it out, and you can see all the dates there for the love stories revisited theme.
Leah: Great.
Willow: Love it. Great reimagining of what's possible in all these sectors of your life, it's so fantastic.
Sierra: Yeah, totally.
Leah: I'm just really so happy that you're out there doing it. I think it's so clever and interesting and special and yeah.
Willow: I can't wait to come to a initiatory portal.
Leah: Yeah, so good luck with everything. Thank you so much for taking the time to be here with us and for participating in this amazing world of re-imagining what love and sex and initiation can be like for those out there, we'll catch you all on the flip side.
Sierra: Yay
Willow: Ciao for now.
[00:58:25] Time to Dish - Pussy Oracle Readings
Announcer: Now our favorite. The dish.
Leah: That's okay. You get a turn. You get a turn every once in a while. Ms. Willow.
Willow: It's willow's turn to break down y'all. She is breaking down over here. Shit, just not as easy as it used to be.
Leah: Ohhhh, well you are quite the maven.
Willow: But maybe I need a pussy oracle reading and all will be well. I think that's what the problem is.
Leah: You know, a little pussy Oracle reading would probably help you, you know, give you some direction. It could show you, like are you staying in the lane you're most aligned.
Willow: Am I in the most aligned lane of my pussy?
Leah: Right. When in doubt, please seek out the vulva Oracles, because your pussy's got something to say. We're here to tell you It's true.
Willow: Okay. I have to say that like, I have been walking the woowoo path for over 20 years, right? I'm an acupuncturist. So many people are like, is that shit even real? And you know, sometimes I'm like, I don't know. But it seems to make people feel better. So...
Leah: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Willow: You know, and then there's all these other like things that I love and then there's such an inner skeptic in me too. That's like, What? Where's the science? What is behind this?
So I have these two sides, like the total, I love the esoteric, let's walk the Taoist path. And then I've got this inner scientist geek who's like, where's the facts? You know?
And so, I have to say like a portion of the time, maybe not half, but an earlier portion of the time we're sitting, I'm going, they're just making this shit up.
Leah: Sure.
Willow: This doesn't have any ancient lineage. But then if you look back 5,000 years at the Taoist, I mean they were just making shit up.
Leah: Yeah.
Willow: They were looking at nature and they were saying, oh wow. There's a stream, there's a river, there's a sea. We must have those same things since we're not separate from nature.
So every single meridian has a river, a stream, and a sea point on it.
Leah: Yeah.
Willow: And you know, I love how what's coming through for them is actually coming from the mysterium. It's coming from the tao, it's coming from that space of is-ness and oneness. So it's not really like them creating something, but more like allowing something to be created through them.
Leah: Yeah. And I'm can totally relate. In fact, I've been pushing back way more on the woo in this era of my life than I ever have. And now I'm kind of coming back around to it, you know, being a little less harsh on the woo. I really had about a five year...
Willow: hiatus from Woo woo.
Leah: Yeah, yeah. Just wrestling with it and doubting everything that I had, you know, that wasn't backed by some sort of research.
Just really got concerned about, you know, was I on the right track? And after sort of fretting for that over five years and kind of wondering, oh my God, do I need to change careers? What the hell's going on with me? I've circled back around to go, just follow your heart, Leah. You know, I've always been drawn by the mystery. Enjoy the mystery.
Anyway, so Julie was telling me about this thing that she's doing and I thought, well that's so interesting. You know, I've led all women retreats having to do with the goddess and us doing Yoni witnessing and all this stuff. So not too farfetched from many things that I've offered and that women have loved.
But this spin on it being sort of an oracle and like reading the vulva and I'm like, well, I mean, you're pulling it outta somewhere, you know, you're just hoping to get lucky. So when I first heard the idea, I liked it. I thought it was a real spin on something no one else has done. So that always appeals to me. But then I was like, Hmm, I wonder how they're going to pull this off.
So they asked me to be a guest in one of their classes, as you probably heard on the episode, I was quite taken with the insights that they were getting. And I thought, yeah, that lines up, I can see it.
Now that you've pointed it out, I'm seeing what you're seeing and it became that much more exciting.
Willow: If someone's going to get healing from anything that is made up or ancient or whatever, then God bless. Like, let's just have the healing happen however it needs to happen for whomever's ready for it. You know, there's going to be plenty of women on this planet who are like, take a picture of my vulva and let you read it. Hell to the no. That is so ridiculous.
And then there's going to be so many women on this planet who are like, please read my vulva, here's 10 pictures. Pick the best one.
Leah: Especially if you love tarot. Especially if you love divination.
Willow: If you're into the esoteric at all.
Leah: Or the I ching. If you love human design. I mean...
Willow: if you love to be read
Leah: ...yeah. I mean, all humans have pattern making brains, and so it's no wonder that, these types of things are popular because our brains are actually structured to like looking at patterns.
And so if you like puzzles, if you like looking at patterns, if you like seeing how to make meaning and understanding out of things, I think you would really enjoy this process if you're a vulva owner.
And there's lots of different systems, you know, like Quodoushka has their form, the Kamasutra has their form of mapping genitals where you're actually taking a look at the genitals and you are making connections.
So there are certain male genitals and certain female genitals that have a harmony to them, making them a better match for both partnership and sexual satisfaction. And so you have these systems that were created, you know, thousands of years ago that have made it today, not used very much today, but have certainly still exist.
Willow: Yeah, exactly. And you know, with all the pelvic floor work that I've done over the decades I am pulling stories out of women's vaginas, basically. Like these stories that cannot come from the head, they cannot come from the heart. They can't come from any other place in the body. They only could come from the Yoni.
And they are linking up blocks that they're having currently in their life to things that they completely forgot about or were completely unconscious of, that had happened early on in their lives. And so, through that process, they're able to then find, a new way of protecting themselves, a new way of keeping themselves safe.
And then they get to move forward in their lives in a way that's, different. Like then they're not playing out those same old patterns. They're actually doing the opposite of what they used to do, or they're doing something different. And, you know, what's that old saying? Definition of crazy is you just keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
And so, yeah, I think with the vulva witnessing and in this Oracle reading way is very, very similar. So it's instead of going in and actually finding tender points and releasing those pain points inside of the vagina, just looking at the vulva and finding these, imagery and these oracles, and I've personally been playing with these codes.
I've been playing in the witchy realm quite a lot lately on the Avalonian path, which it really sounds like they are on that path as well. And there is a practice where you just really let your vision go quite fuzzy and and you don't really look at any one thing, but you stare and you ask a question, you infuse water or a mirror or something, you infuse it with a question or how do I overcome pattern that I've been running in my life? Like let's say you keep attracting unavailable partners into your life and you're just over it. So you do this practice where you stare and you keep asking the question until answers start to come to you. And so, that's what I was really kind of imagining.
I'm like, wow, they're scrying the vulva. So I was loving what they were bringing in, like the Magdalene codes and that whole lineage, which is really an Egyptian lineage, it goes all the way back to Hathor. So Hathor was like sort of the over overseer goddess of the goddess, bringing that message from the goddess to Isis, and Isis to the Magdalene lineage. So it kind of all comes from ancient Egypt. And there is, even in sacred sexuality, a whole Egyptian practices that are very Tantric. They bring in a lot of the Ida and pingala and running energy up through the Chakras.
But there's this practice that you can do from that lineage where you're actually, making love to the Ka body. The Ka Body is the energy body. So it's like your shape, and size, and age, and everything that you are now, you basically have this whole imagery of this other, of this energy part of you. Which relates back to our other podcast we were doing earlier today. And and you can actually make love and that's how women were able to, have immaculate conception to conceive without actual physical penetration.
Because Mother Mary wasn't the only one who did that. They were all part of the essenes. Okay. I'm getting on a big tangent here, but, I just I think it's also fascinating and I love that they are sort of, you know, following that path.
Leah: other than Isis, and I don't really know that much about Isis either. I've just read some beautiful erotic poetry connected to isis, and that's about the extension of my Egyptian, knowledge. But it's talking to me like lately. It keeps on coming up all this Egyptian stuff and I'm going, okay, I guess that's going to be next.
Willow: Yeah. You gotta pick up a book.
Leah: I'm gonna have to start to read, or go on one of those Egyptian pilgrimages and whatnot.
Willow: Yeah. I think we should lead a group to Egypt. So there's a book called, it's by Tom Kenyon. It's called the the Magdalene Manuscript. It's called the Magdalene Manuscript. Yeah.
Leah: Okay.
Willow: So I highly recommend that it's actually channeled.
So a lot of the stuff that I have picked up along that lineage & that path is all channeled stuff. But you know, like these women are channeling. Sierra basically got this as a channeled concept and sounds like it took her a while to even come to Jesus with it, or Mary Magdalene with it.
Leah: Ah, yeah, come to Mary Magdalene with it. Yeah. I love that reframe.
Willow: That's cute.
Leah: It's very, it's very cute.
Willow: So, yeah. Let us know what you think.
Leah: Yeah. What do you think? You think this has got legs? You think this is a bunch of hooey? . You think this is something to observe in yourself? I mean, it's going to remind me. I'm going to get the old camera out myself and maybe take a couple shots, zoom in, see if I can't read my own damn pussy.
Willow: Send me your vulva. I'll send you mine.
Leah: Alright. It's a deal.
Oh, but no dick pics people, do not send dick pics.
Willow: No, it's totally different.
Leah: Yeah, we're only sending our pussy pics to our friends
And you're welcome to send me your pussy pig, but it will cost you for me to read it.
Willow: That's right.
Leah: Okay. Well, love, love, love y'all.
Thanks for tuning in. If the hosts seem to know what they were talking about, that's because they do. Leah Piper is a Tantric sex master coach and a positive psychology facilitator. Dr. Willow Brown is both a Chinese and functional medicine doctor and a Taoist sexology teacher. Don't forget your comments, likes, subscribes, and suggestions matter.
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